Incurable to Cancer-Free in One Year: How Nate-the-Cat Survived High Grade Lymphoma

Nate - gorgeous as ever

Handsome Nate

Like so many cancer stories, this not a simple one.

It involves conventional treatments that don’t work out, but it ends with natural treatments and a happy cat!

This story is a big deal to me because I lost a cat to high-grade (large cell) intestinal lymphoma. While low-grade lymphoma is more treatable, cats are not known to survive high-grade lymphoma. Even with intense chemotherapy, the best we were told to hope for was 6 – 9 months.

So I always have my ears open for helpful cat cancer healing stories. When I heard that a woman in Illinois named Connie Fischbein had a story to share (complete with pictures of the oncology scans), I set up an interview as fast as I could.

I was stunned to learn that her cat had survived high-grade intestinal and kidney lymphoma. I could hardly wait to hear how her 7 year-old Maine Coone, Nate, pulled this off!

Note: All the resources that worked for Connie’s cat are listed at the end of this (long!) article.

How it starts

LIZ: First of all, I want to know all about Nate’s initial diagnosis.

CONNIE: It was in the small intestine…he had been vomiting and losing weight and I had been going back and forth to the vet…I was leaving for work one morning and he hid under a chair, something he would never do unless there is something really, really wrong. I ran him up to the emergency clinic… he had an ultrasound. There was a tumor in his small intestine…it was removed surgically, they tissue typed it and gave me some options for chemo…  We started him on the treatment that I thought would be least stressful for him….Lomustine [oral chemo].

LIZ: What did they do with the surgery?

CONNIE: They basically removed the tumor [it was blocking his digestion]. And resected the bowel.

LIZ:  And what happened after that?

CONNIE: Within a couple of days he was pretty much eating his regular diet…And then 10 days later I brought him in to get his stitches out and that was when they started the oral chemo.

LIZ: I don’t think I was given surgery as an option. I don’t remember that ever coming up.

CONNIE: Well this was a single tumor. I know there are some forms of lymphoma where it’s more diffuse and it’s not that easy to remove surgically.

LIZ: The word “diffuse” does sound familiar. Maybe that’s what it was. So then Nate started the Lomustine. And what was that like?

CONNIE: He would get the dose once a month and he seemed to tolerate it fairly well, but after a couple weeks he would start having really bad diarrhea, which we would treat with metronidazole…

Connie begins researching alternatives

“After his first Lomustine dose I started looking online for alternative therapies in case the chemo didn’t work…I spent hours just searching, trying to find [good] products.

I found a cancer support product called ES Clear…it’s supposed to help with side effects from chemo. At work there’s a database I can use where I can look up interactions of some natural medicines and conventional medicines…and I didn’t see anything that was going to be a significant interaction.

I talked to the oncologist and he was fine with it too… With the ES Clear, Nate really seemed to perk up and had less diarrhea and less lethargy after his chemo doses.

I saw a vet online recommending a product from a company called Vitality Science. I talked to LeLa and to Steven Becker there. The whole approach was the opposite of the approach that conventional chemotherapy is about. Conventional chemo is all about suppressing the immune system and killing everything basically. Cancer cells metabolize faster so they absorb these toxins more readily, but pretty much every organ system is affected. But the alternative approach is to boost the immune system, give the animal a chance to heal itself.

I thought, “maybe this is plan B, because I’m kind of committed right now to the chemotherapy.” The approaches seemed to contradict each other. I couldn’t get my head around doing both at same time. They said you could, but I wasn’t convinced, so I decided to make it plan B.”

The cancer comes back after surgery and oral chemo

CONNIE: Nate did well for 5 rounds of oral Lomustine. He had his last dose at the beginning of May 2012. But at the end of that month we had a routine scan and unfortunately it had come back in his kidney. It was like a small 1.5 cm tumor at that point.

LIZ: How many months was he on the Lomustine?

CONNIE: Five. He was diagnosed early January and it came back at the end of May.

LIZ:  It was the same high grade, large cell lymphoma – but this time in the kidney?

CONNIE: Right. And so we tried Elspar, which is specific for lymphoma. But the cancer was resistant. It just kept growing. So the week after that we tried [another drug] I wasn’t thrilled about. Heavy duty chemo. It was given by IV and made him sick…He wouldn’t eat from his food dish and became lethargic. His white blood cell count dropped and he was placed on prednisone and antibiotics.

Heavy duty chemo doesn’t work for Nate

“So we were just watching his white blood cell count every week. About 2 or 3 weeks later it came up enough but the tumor…didn’t shrink.

Kidney is hidden behind tumor

Kidney is hidden behind tumor

And then it started growing again so we tried one last resort called Palladia. ….But after 2 or 3 doses of that oral medication, he was vomiting and then he stopped eating.

He was kind of saying ‘I won’t do this anymore.’

Switched to 100% alternative therapies

“I talked to the oncologist and said, ‘I can’t do this anymore to him. I’ll just try to make him as comfortable as I can. And I think I’m going to try these other herbal products.’

Since he wasn’t eating, I ordered a product (Feline Granular) that you mix into his food, which he absolutely loved, and it got him eating again. He was still taking ES Clear.

I also added another product Tripsy, which is for kidney support. I figured, even though he still had normal kidney function and all his labs were normal, he might need help excreting the metabolites of these products. I started him on Tripsy and the Vitality Science Advanced Immune Restoration Protocol [for cat cancer]. So I started these about a week after this last Palladia [chemo] dose.”


“About three weeks later we took him into the vet for a scan and surprisingly it has shrunk over 30% and he was…almost strangely energetic. I thought there was something wrong with him. I was like, “What’s going on? He’s acting weird.” It turns out this tumor is shrinking.

Tumor (in cross hairs) has shrunk

Tumor (in cross hairs) has shrunk over 30%

I brought him back three weeks later and it had shrunk another 30%. Both the oncologist and I had been skeptical before starting these alternative therapies. The oncologist was very surprised by the results and I was kicking myself that I hadn’t tried them earlier along with chemo.

Tumor has shrunk again

Tumor 30% smaller again, kidney now visible

The second time it shrank he called me into the consulting room, closed the door and said, ‘OK, what exactly are you giving him?’

I told him about all the products…he said, ‘Well, just keep doing this. He’s moving in the right direction. We’ll see what happens.”

I brought Nate back a couple months later and the tumor was still shrinking. Not quite at the same rate, but it was still moving in the right direction and then I think his third scan was in October 2012.

Then I brought him in January this year for another scan and it was completely gone. Normal kidney.”

LIZ: Wow.

CONNIE: Yeah. He gained weight… and he had another scan at the end of February…The scan was clean everywhere. His gut and his kidney and all of that. His recent scan [May 1st] was also completely clean.

LIZ: I’m blown away that even though Nate went through some really intense chemo his body was able to get rid of the cancer when you stopped – even though chemo breeds stronger cancer cells.

Happy Nate

Happy Nate

CONNIE: He wasn’t quite 7 years old when he was diagnosed…he had that going for him… And I think I got lucky with finding Vitality Science. I think those products probably made the biggest difference…there are ingredients that specifically have anti-cancer properties. And immune boosting properties.  I think that was the big gun. Although it’s hard to say because there are no controlled studies.

LIZ: The tumor shrinkage you saw in late July – the doctor did not think it was from the earlier chemo, correct?

CONNIE: Correct, he had a scan after the chemo; it was still growing, not shrinking.  …In fact, Nate’s oncologist was very excited about what happened with these herbals, so he now recommends it to his clients who don’t respond to conventional chemo.

Important Note: Only after a number of clean scans did Connie begin to taper down the alternative therapy doses that Nate was taking. I learned the hard way that this is essential. With cancer treatment, especially after chemo has been used, the strongest tiny cancer cells are the ones that survive, so if they start growing again they can come back with an unstoppable vengeance. For this reason, I would continue periodic cancer scans and have my cat on a maintenance dose of an alternative therapy for the rest of his or her life.

The resources that worked for Connie

Connie used a number of supplements – “the kitchen sink” – as she joked, so it’s hard to be sure which ones made all the difference. But, she suspects the Advanced Immune Restoration Protocol Cat Cancer Support and Tripsy may have been most essential to Nate’s healing.

Nate’s anti-cancer supplementation

Vitality Science Advanced Immune Restoration Protocol – Cat Cancer Support – An anti-cancer combination of enzymes, probiotics, green algae, and essential nutrients for immune system; herbal anti-inflammatory and anti-parasitic; fish oil, krill oil, Astaxanthin (extracted from Haematococcus Pluvialis microalgae), and natural vitamin E.

Nate’s immune, nutrition, and kidney support supplements

Pet Wellbeing Nu-Pet Feline Granular with Antioxidant– for appetite & nutrients

NHV ES Clear – for cancer support and immune strengthening (contains ingredients of Essiac tea, a reputed anti-cancer formula)

NHV Tripsy – for kidney, renal and urinary disorders in cats

(The last two products were originally available through Pet Wellbeing, but they have sense reformulated them, so now you can get the original formula Connie used only through NHV.)

Nate’s treatment for chemo-related diarrhea

Pet Flora – When Nate stopped responding to the metronidazole for his chemo-related diarrhea, Connie tried this special soil-based probiotic, which cleared up his diarrhea in 24 hours.

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458 Responses to Incurable to Cancer-Free in One Year: How Nate-the-Cat Survived High Grade Lymphoma

  1. Duke April 28, 2015 at 3:28 pm #

    Hello LIs how are you? I have a question.. I see you used advanced immune system and i bought it also but how did you really fed to your cat? i have hard time feeding to my cat if you or anybody can help me great thank you.

    • Chere April 28, 2015 at 8:44 pm #

      Hi Duke, I find it easy to sneak in a little (not even a quarter of a teaspoon though) of the celloqent, or a couple of drops of the anti inflammatory into a tin or pouch of wet food. The vital pet lips however is very fishy and at best I can only get a drop into a very fishy tin or pouch of wet food. If I remember correctly the instructions that came with the set said you shouldn’t give the anti inflammatory at the same time as the other products. So I mix in the other two at the same time or the anti inflammatory on it’s own. Good luck.

      • Duke April 28, 2015 at 11:24 pm #

        great thank you very much

      • Duke April 29, 2015 at 6:32 am #

        Hello again… which brand of food did you use? I know my vet said I have to use high quality protein food… thank you very much

        • Duke April 29, 2015 at 6:53 am #

          I am sorry one more thing, what really help tumor to shrink? I mean scientifically? is it food or supplement? or specific medicine?
          thank you very much for your hlep

          • Chere April 29, 2015 at 7:25 am #

            Hi again. I think the ingredients are scientifically proven to kill cancer cells and help fight cancer, the reviews are very promising. I do believe it does help kill cancer cells and shrink tumors. If I remember correctly krill oil and a few other things like licorice or something have shown to do just that. Storm would vomit several times a day and I can’t be sure if it was only the chemo that stopped it but I do believe the pet flora and super pet enzymes stopped it. If she ever vomits I make sure to give her that stuff.

          • VeggieNut-Viv April 29, 2015 at 9:44 am #

            Duke, the best thing that I’ve found to shrink my 17 year old cat’s cancer (oral squamous cell) is IP-6 plus Inositol using a ratio of four to one of IP-6 to Inositol. I also give her Artemisinin, 50 mg per dose, and I give this as a single dose on two consecutive nights a week. I would give this more often but it gives her diarrhea and depresses her appetitie. I give the Artemisinin separate from the IP-6/Inositol. Artemisinin needs to be given with fat preferably on an empty stomach. Since I’m limited on how much Artemisinin I can give and since cancer cells have a higher metabolic rate at night, I give this to her late at night when I can maxmimize it’s effectiveness. At this dosage rate, I see no side effects.
            Artemisinin works by gaining entry into the cancer cells and forming free radicals which destroys the cancer cells. Artemisinin is attracted to the iron in cancer cells which have a higher iron content than do normal cells. It has a stronger attraction for the higher iron cancer cells than it does for normal cells, so the normal cells are protected. I’ve read that cancer shows no resistance to Artemisinin.
            IP-6 (Inositol Hexaphosphate) is also attracted to the higher iron cancer cells. IP-6 chelates the iron which destroys the cancer’s primary growth factor. The cancer cells cannot replicate DNA without iron. No iron equals no replication equals cancer DIES! The Inositol is not a chelator but it enhances the effectiveness of the IP-6. The dose will need to be adjusted according how advanced the cancer is. IP-6/Inositol has very little taste and it’s been very easy to give. I give my kitty, Mandi, three daily doses of 500 mg of IP-6 and add Inositol powder at roughly a 4 to 1 ratio of IP-6 to Inositol. I add 30 mg of CoQ10 to one of these daily doses. I then stir in a little water to this mixture and give it with a syringe. I’ve read that this is probably absorbed better when given on an empty stomach which can be hard to do with a cat but I do my best with it. This combo is very safe to use. To learn more, look up: “a mini protocol for treating any cancer in dogs and cats”.
            Mandi’s cancer was found in October of 2013 and she was not expected to live for even a year. I’ve used several protocols, but this has been the best. It seems to maintain its effectiveness and after several months of use, it has accomplished this without any visable side effects. I’ve been treating Mandi myself since April of 2014 because what the vet was doing seemed to have lost it’s effectiveness. Then, in Oct 2014 she developed a cancer related abscess on the cancer side of her head. When the vet treated the abscess, I was informed that the end was very near. To make things even worse, the cancer soon spread to the other side of her mouth that same month and it quickly became so massive that she couldn’t eat on her own. I had to feed her liquids with a syringe. She also stayed in her liter box day and night and drooled. Things looked really bad. That’s when I found new and better battle stragegy using IP-6/Inositol and Artemisinin. It’s been a long hard fight since then but we’ve made significant improvment. She’s gone from having to be fed liquids with a syringe to eating solid food on her own and wanting more. She now eats raw diced beefsteak, steamed chicken and scrambled eggs. I even saw her eating the dog’s kibble! No more living in her litter box either as she’s up and about using the pet door to go outside and sun herself and generally acting like she feels way better. I checked her mouth last night and from what I can see on the surface, the cancer has shrank a whole lot since I’ve been using this protocol. Against all odds, after one and a half years since discovery, I still have my Mandi!
            Good luck with your journey through this.

        • Chere April 29, 2015 at 7:13 am #

          That’s the one field I fail dismally in so im probably the worst example. At the moment only a small percentage of weruva and certain fancy feast tins but mostly Friskies sachets which is probably a terrible thing I could give her. The other two will eat anything with almost any amount of whatever I put in there but she’s so fussy.

          After her biopsy (when she stopped eating) I tried so many types of food and shed eat it. So even though I know it’s bad ( very far from cancer fighting ) it was a choice of eat that or nothing. So that’s how that started. Because of this I’ve been googling better options recently. I live in South Africa and the selection of grain free stuff is terrible. Weruva is practically the best I can get and it’s damn expensive. I also recently learnt that I should avoid giving Storm fishy treats because of the toxins in the fish. Up until then I’ve always thought I should be giving here more because fish is high in omega 3 oils. Who knew.

          The one vet said I should give her wet food meant for kittens because its high in protein.

          I give her the wet food with the varying products morning and night (1 sachet or small tin between my three cats) but her dry food that’s always available is Hills ID for gastrointestinal issues. But you can’t mix this stuff into dry food really. ..Unless you mix it in with water and the dry food maybe?

          I really do think those products have helped (along with tge chemo) shrink and hopefully has kept Storms tumor away. Im nervous because I’m meant to take her for a scan this week but shes looking good though.

          Im happy to help, let me know what works for you.

          • Sharon Dee May 19, 2015 at 7:28 am #

            My sister’s cat, Finnegan has been diagnosed with renal lymphoma :( She has ordered the products shown to have worked for Nate on your site. We are all hoping that it helps him as he is only four years old. I have a question regarding food….I have six cats, and four of them are seniors (all feral rescues) They did not like any of the expensive, so called, quality food. I buy Friskies pate…they like the mixed grill the best. I have been in touch with the company who claim that the bi products in their products are only from organ meats and tell me that their food is healthful,. I hope so, because it is inexpensive and they love it,,..I have spent thousands if dollars on expensive cat food, only to feed the left overs to the crows, because my cats would not eat it. We are hoping that Finnegan responds positively to the products that helped Nate….we are just devastated by the diagnoses.

  2. Duke May 1, 2015 at 10:32 am #

    Thank you so much Chere and Vegienut… I will try that to my cat. Vegie nut where do you buy IP 6? and what is this? thank you again.

    oh by the way, i have been working with Dr. Loop actually i found him through this website… do you know anything about him? he is a holistic specialist. thank you

    • VeggieNut-Viv May 1, 2015 at 12:00 pm #

      Duke, I get my IP-6 and Inositol from Swanson Vitamins. The item number is SWU286 and it contains 240 capsules, 500 mg. The Inositol item number is SW874 and contains 100 capsules, 650 mg. This is used at a four to one ratio of IP-6 to Inositol. I get about five doses out of the 650 mg capsule of Inositol. Swanson also has Inositol that you can get as a loose powder in a jar but it’s harder to figure out how to measure it as the scoop that is provided is for six grams. However, since it’s pharmaceutical grade, it may be worth the extra effort.
      IP-6 is a vitamin like substance that is derived from Inositol which is a B vitamin. The IP-6 should be used with Inositol because these two complement each other which increases their potency. IP-6 is a chelator. It works by binding with the iron in cancer cells so that they can’t reproduce.
      I also get Artemisinin from Swanson, item SWH111. Each bottle has 90 capsules, 100 mg and each capsule provides two doses, 50 mg each. This should be given with a fat. I use flax oil right now because I already had it.
      Swanson has a sale right now and here’s the promo code:WKNDOFFR
      This sale ends Sunday, May 3 at 11:59 pm, central time.
      I’ve heard of Dr. Loop, but that’s all.

      • Debra Costas May 1, 2015 at 3:44 pm #

        Hi Viv,

        I have been giving Molly the IP6 & Inositol for the last several days. I mix it with her herbal tonic so I don’t have to put stuff down her throat as often. She doesn’t seem to like the taste much but she tolerates it. How long before we see any effect on the tumor?

        • VeggieNut-Viv May 1, 2015 at 8:24 pm #

          Debra, it will take a while and it’s hard to say how long before you can see any visable results. The IP-6/Inositol kills the cancer by starving it for iron so that it can’t reproduce itself so it dies off over time. It’s also hard to know what dose to give and getting the dose right is essential for this to be effective. I started off with two doses a day and I now give three per day plus I give Artemisinin a couple of times a week as well. Artemisinin works well with the IP-6 and Inositol.
          Mandi is showing more improvement with time. Her appetite has improved and she’s eating more solid food which means her mouth has got to be feeling better for her to be able to chew it.
          I just checked my order history from Swanson to see exactly when I began this and it was the end of Feb. of this year. So, that would make it two months now. I’ve been seeing improvment for a while and it just keeps getting better!

          • Debra Costas May 2, 2015 at 5:10 pm #

            Thanks, Viv, I am just hoping to see the tumor shrink enough where Molly can use her tongue again. I am giving her the IP6/Inositol 3 times a day so I guess we need to wait a few more weeks.

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 2, 2015 at 6:31 pm #

            The IP-6/Inositol seems to work slower than Artemisinin. If you’re not already using Artemisinin, you might want to consider adding it. This might help bring relief to Molly faster. I just give Mandi one daily 50 mg dose of it late at night at bedtime and this is just for two or sometimes three days a week. The absorbability of Artemisinin decreases with use so it shouldn’t be given constantly. It’s best to give it for a few days “on” then a few days “off” so that optimum absorption can be maintained. I would give the Artemisinin to Mandi more often but it can give her diarrhea, however, most cats tolerate it pretty well from what I’ve read about it.

            Mandi has come a long way since Oct. 2014 when she wasn’t even able to eat on her own and I had to feed her liquids with a sryinge. She lived in her litter box, day and night, drooling constantly and when I saw that the cancer had spread, it sure did look like the end had arrived. Now, she eats solid food that requires chewing which is a good indication that her mouth is in much better shape. She’s no longer living in her litter box but once again she’s up and about living her life, going in and out the pet door, sunning herself and acting much more like a normal kitty.
            There’s hope for Molly too. Do your best.

          • Debra Costas May 4, 2015 at 2:54 pm #

            HI Viv,

            I wanted to see if the IP6/Insitol would shrink it before getting the Artemisinin. I was concerned since you said it gave your cat digestive problems. I think that I will try that in a week or so if I don’t see more improvement in her use of her tongue. It’s definitely on my list to try on her. It is very encouraging to hear how well Maddi has done on it!

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 4, 2015 at 4:15 pm #

            Debra, the concern that I would have in holding off in using Artemisinin is that IP-6/Inositol may not be an effective stand alone cancer treatment. Cancer cells have a much higher metabolic rate than do normal cells and if you aren’t killing them off faster than they multiply, the cancer can really get a foothold. Once you lose ground, it is really hard to gain it back. The location of Molly’s cancer, under her tongue, is also a concern as this can make it very difficult for her to eat and it will get worse if the cancer isn’t stopped.
            Most cats do OK with Artemisinin. If Molly has a problem, just back off on how many times you give it. The dose recommended by holistic vets is 50 mg given twice a day. Mandi would get diarrhea and her appetitie would go down if I gave it at the recommended dose, so I cut back the number of consecutive days that I was giving it and she’s done very well with that schedule. I now give her 50 mg once a day, late at night, and ususlly for only 2 or 3 consecutive days then I break. Since I’ve started using this agenda, there’s been no diarrhea or loss of appetite and at least for the present momment, I seem to be gaining ground in this battle.
            Because of the side effects Mandi had from the Artemisinin, I even tried discontinuing it altogether when I started using the IP-6/Inositol, but that didn’t seem to work as fast as I needed it to work. So I set my mind to find a way to use Artemisinin that would help her without hurting her and I did just that.
            Both Artemisinin and IP-6/Inositol fight cancer, but they seem to work most effectively as a team. Cancer needs to be hit from more than one direction.
            Keep up the good work!

          • Debra Costas May 4, 2015 at 5:03 pm #

            Oh, OK, Viv, I didn’t realize they worked together. I will look into getting some right away. Thanks for the “heads up”!

          • Debra Costas May 4, 2015 at 5:04 pm #

            Where do you buy your Artesiminin?

          • Debra Costas May 4, 2015 at 5:09 pm #

            I see Swanson has it so I am assuming that is where you get yours. Do you just mix with water?

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 4, 2015 at 6:38 pm #

            I do indeed get this from Swanson. It’s item number SWH111, and the potency is 100 mg per capsule with 90 capsules per bottle. Each powder filled capsule will give you two 50 mg doses. This isn’t mixed with water. It needs to be given with a fat. I use flax oil or coconut oil because I already have it and because I’ve read that’s what other people have used.
            Another place you can order Artemisinin from is Holley Pharmaceuticals. It’s a bit more expensive, but you can get 50 mg capsules so that you don’t have the inconvenience of dividing it but you only get 60 capsules per bottle. Holly Pharmaceuticals has been mentioned several times when I’ve read about Artemisinin. However, Swanson’s brand is standardized so it should be good too and you do get two doses per capsule and you also get more capsules per bottle so your buck will go a lot further. I’ve tried to find out which is best, but I’ve had no luck in finding any info about this in the reviews I’ve read.
            Artemisinin and IP-6/Inositol are both used together in “a mini protocol for treating any cancer in dogs and cats”. This protocol also uses CoQ10 and mushrooms. I think you would find it interesting reading. And, one thing I like is that this protocol is easy to do.
            Swanson has a sale right now where you can save ten percent on orders of fifty dollars or more and this also qualifies for free shipping. The more you buy, the higher the percent off. The promo code is: TWENTY and the sale ends Thursday, May 7 at ll:59 pm central standard time.
            Fighting cancer is really rough at first because you have so much to learn and you need to learn it so fast. Hang in there!

          • Debra Costas May 5, 2015 at 7:36 am #

            I have some Salmon oil that we mix in both cats food, do you think that would work?

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 5, 2015 at 7:50 am #

            I think that salmon oil is a good choice. I use flax oil or coconut oil mostly because I already have it.

          • Debra Costas May 11, 2015 at 8:30 am #

            Hi Viv, I got the Artemisinin and accidently gave Molly a whole capsule the first time. They are so tiny I can just “pill” her. However, I then realized that I had given her 100mg not 50mg so the next time I gave her 1/2 a capsule in some Salmon oil which she threw up about 10 minutes later. I have just given her a 50 mg dose that I just mixed with a couple drops of Salmon oil and put on her tongue with my finger (this did not go well!). I think she drooled most of hit down her chin. How do you get it down Maddi??

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 11, 2015 at 10:24 am #

            If you take a bit of the Artemisinin powder and touch it to your tongue, you’ll know why Molly doesn’t like it. It’s bitter and tastes just plain awful!
            To give this, I dissolve Mandi’s dose of Artemsinin in cold flax oil (I keep it refrigerated) and the cold temperature helps subdue the bitter taste a bit. One ml syringes seem to work best as they comfortably fit into the small mouth of a cat better. To prepare this, I use a one ml syringe to measure out about .7 ml of cold fax oil to mix with the Artemisinin. Be careful that you don’t use too much oil as it mignt not fit back into the one ml syringe after adding in the Artemisinin. After mixing the oil and the Artemisinin together, I then re-load it back in the same one ml syringe. When I give this to Mandi, I try to get it toward the back of her mouth so that it won’t dribble out but not so far back that she will choke on it. I then follow this with another one ml syringe of just plain flax oil to wash it down with. I load both syringes before I round up Mandi for her medicine time. I use a blue one ml syringe that carries the payload of Artemisinin and a clear no-color second syringe that’s filled with plain flax oil. That way, I don’t get the syringes mixed up as I want to be sure to give the plain oil last so it can help wash down the bitter Artemisinin. The blue one ml syringe came with a bottle of Polyvisol Vitamin Drops for babies which I also give to Mandi. This blue syringe works well without sticking and it lasts and lasts.
            Holley Pharmaceuticals makes Artemisinin in 50 mg size capsules which would be easier to use and I’ve read that it is a very good product. I was about ready to try some, but stayed with Swanson because I hit a good sale, their product is standardized and it just gave me more bang for my buck.
            I gave Mandi a nice warm bath today as the cancer in her mouth makes it hard for her to do a good job in grooming herself. After a gentle towel dry, she’s now outside sunning herself. You might at some time need to help Molly with her grooming. I think that it makes them just feel better to be fresh and clean.

          • Debra Costas May 11, 2015 at 3:40 pm #

            Thanks, Viv. I suspected that it was very bitter. I will try keeping the Salmon oil in the fridge and hopefully that will help. I will have to get another syringe and then I will try following the medicine up with a bit more oil or maybe some water from a tuna can. We had Salmon for dinner last nite a she wanted some so badly but had so much trouble picking it up I finally just opened her mouth and put a bit on the back of her tongue. I feel so badly that she tries so hard to pick up her food and just can’t hold it in her mouth. I have tried washing her in a bit of warm water in the sink but she doesn’t like that at all. The best I can do is take a warm wash cloth and wash her face and head. She’s pretty feisty!

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 11, 2015 at 4:09 pm #

            Debra, I have used a washcloth to give a whole bath to Mandi. I just rubbed her all over with it and rinsed the cloth out in warm water as I bathed her. I used an empty large plastic tub like a cool whip tub or large margine tub and filled it with warm water. However, Mandi now lets me put her in the bathroom sink and bathe her in there where I can do a much better job. When I’m holding her drying her off, she lets me clip her front nails too. However, we’ve been doing all this for a good while now, so we’ve both had time to adjust to doing things different. Mandi is a sweet old soul.
            Sometimes Mandi can’t eat well either. I boil chicken for her and give her the broth which is easy on her mouth and she loves it. I also fix scrambled eggs for her so that they are on the runny side so she can just lap it up. She likes her eggs with a bit of Velveeta cheese mixed in. The other cats like to eat this stuff too. You might could try taking solid food and putting it in the blender to make it like baby food for Molly. Add enough water or broth so that she can lap it up. I’ve even bought baby food for Mandi, but it’s pricey and all you get is a little bitty jar of the meat varieties. However, sometimes it’s good to have some on hand to use when nothng else seems to work.

          • Debra Costas May 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm #

            Hi Viv, Thanks for the ideas but the problem is that Molly can’t use her tongue. She can’t stick it out to lap up anything. To drink she gets in the bathroom sink, tilts her head to one side and lets the water fall in her mouth. I worry that she will get dehydrated but so far she seems OK. When I look in her mouth her tongue is always tilted to one side off the bottom of her mouth. Since I used 1/2 of the Arteminisin this AM I am going to give her the capsule tonight with the other 1/2 and a squirt of Salmon oil. That should be easier on her since it is in the capsule.

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 11, 2015 at 6:49 pm #

            You do have your hands full. I think that having this kind of cancer under the tongue has got to be one of the worst places it can be. If you can get this cancer to start shrinking, it should improve Molly’s ability to eat and drink.
            Keep up your dilgent work and hopefully you’ll start seeing an improvement.

          • Debra Costas May 11, 2015 at 9:28 pm #

            That’s what I am hoping for. If it will just shrink enough for her to be able to use her tongue that would be a huge improvement. Thanks for all your help and encouragement!

          • Debra Costas May 17, 2015 at 9:32 am #

            Hi Viv, Well I did 3 days last week with the Artemisinin and have just given Molly the IP6, Inositol and her herbs since then. Yesterday the syringe broke so I have to get a new on. The last 2 days she has taken to wetting outside her pan and she runs away when she sees me coming. She is also not eating and is down about 2 pounds from her normal weight. I plan to take her to the vet tomorrow to see if we are dealing with a bladder infection or if she has just had enough…..

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 17, 2015 at 11:19 am #

            Debra, fighting cancer can get really tough. My Mandi has done all those things and then some. She wets around her litter box too and I put newspapers around it which helps. Her problem is that the sides of her box are so low that her little rear end hangs out over it and all the time she thinks she’s in her box. I like the low sided box as it makes it easy for her to get in and out so I just put newpapers around it rather than get one with higher sides.
            Cancer cats are going to fluctuate on how they are doing just like people do who have cancer. This will be an uphill climb all the way. Expect setbacks. Several times I’ve thought it was the end and each time we’ve pulled out but so far, there’s been no cure. I know that at age seventeen years my Mandi is on borrowed time but I’m happy for each day that me and my kitty still have with each other.
            It’s good to keep a supply of syringes on hand as the disposable kind just aren’t made to last very long. If you have a local Tractor Supply, they have them but I’ve never found the one ml size there. Mostly, I get them on line. Drs. Foster and Smith have oral syringes which have a longer nub at the end enabling the larger size syringes to fit into a cat’s mouth better.
            When it’s medicine time, I’ve spent a lot of time running down Mandi and sometimes I’ve felt like I was participating in the calf roping contest at a rodeo. I know it hurts when your furbaby runs away from you, but sometimes love has to be tough. Over time, Mandi has become much easier to work with, but it took a while.
            Cats with cancer usually do lose weight. Before cancer, Mandi weighed over thirteen pounds and she was overweight. Now, it’s less than half that.
            Artemisinin probably needs to be given more often than 3 times a week, especially if you’ve hit a rough spot in the road. I limit my use of it as Mandi can have digestive upsets if I use it too often. However, when circumstances demand it, I have given it twice a day for three days straight with only mild side effects that don’t last long. Holistic vets recommend fifty mg given twice a day – once in the morning and once at night and always given with fat. The “off” and “on” schedule differs a lot. I’ve read eleven days “on” and three days “off”. I’ve read “every other day”. I’ve read four days “on” and three days “off”. There seems to be a lot of just playing it by ear and it can be very frustrating if you go into this without any experience with cancer like I did.
            When I first took Mandi to the Vet back when the cancer was found in October 2013, he started her on an antibiotic, Clindamycin. This did wonders for the inflamed sores in her mouth and impressive improvement was quickly seen. The drooling stopped, her appetite was good and she was able to eat! I was so encouraged but unfortunately, this is a continuous battle. Now, since I’ve been treating Mandi myself, I use Echinacea/goldenseal blend or Olive Leaf Extract both of which act as antibiotics and both of these also help boost the immune system which will help fight the cancer. However, the Clindamycin I gave Mandi that was initially prescribed by the vet sure packed a powerful punch and maybe something like this is what is needed to speedily improve things.
            Good luck! Keep me posted.

          • Debra Costas May 17, 2015 at 4:20 pm #

            Hi Viv, Molly has never wet outside her box before. a couple of days ago I caught her with her hind end just barely inside the box and after that she just wet on the floor in front of it.

            I did give her the Artemisinin twice a day for 3 days and then Thursday just gave her the herbs and IP6/Inositol mixture since. I wish there was a way to just take 1/2 of the capsule and just “pill” her as I think it wouldn’t be so awful for her but I don’t know if the open end of the pill can be “plugged” up somehow so the powder doesn’t get out on her tongue. I also wonder if the edges of the 1/2 pill will hurt her throat. She didn’t eat anything this morning but ate a little around noon. I can tell she just doesn’t feel good. I haven’t given her anything today.

            I got the syringe free from my vet so I assume it is the right kind but I will look into those you mentioned. She just hates my using the syringe on her. She went and hid this AM and we couldn’t find her. When I woke up from my nap this afternoon she was asleep beside me and let me love on her for a little while.

            I have noticed that her drooling has cleared up quite a bit so I think the stuff is working. I am just praying that she has a bladder infection and that a shot of antibiotics will clear it up and she will feel more herself.

            Yes, I hear what you are saying, this cancer stuff is really a battle and sometimes you win and sometimes you have to fight harder and sometimes you lose. If she doesn’t want this anymore maybe it’s time to let her go. I don’t know if she will ever get used to it like Madi seems to have done. We will just wait and see what tomorrow brings.

            Thanks so much,

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 17, 2015 at 6:37 pm #

            Debra, I remember now – It’s been a long time but I have pilled Mandi with the Swanson 100 mg Artemisinin! Here’s how I did it. I separated the capsule into two halves and plugged each end with a bit of cheese. I used Velveeta because I had it. Then, I put the pills in the freezer so the cheese would firm up and stay in place. When I gave it, I put the smooth, non-cheese end into Mandi’s mouth first so that the edged end plugged with cheese would go in last. I sometimes fixed up several capsules at a time and kept them in the freezer so I had a ready supply of them. With Mandi’s mouth being ulcerated in the back, it was hard to push a pill in her mouth without causing discomfort. And since it needed to be given with some fat anyway, I got used to disolving the Artemisinin powder in some sort of oil and using a one ml syringe. If you decide to keep using a syringe, the one ml size is more comfortable for the kitty and they don’t put up as much of a fuss. However, if Molly accepts the pills well, you can now do it that way. By giving pills, you avoid the bitter taste and that is definitely an advantage as it will make medicine time much more pleasant for the both of you.
            When I give Mandi Artemisinin, she also acts like she doesn’t feel good. Artemisinin depresses the appetite and not eating can contribute to a cat not feeling good. This is one of the side effects of Artemisinin and it’s one of the main reasons I dislike giving it, but it shrinks cancer consistently faster and better than other things I’ve used and I’ve also read that cancer does not become resistant to it. That may or may not be true, but some people have used it for years as a stand alone cancer treatment so it may be possible.
            You might could back off some on the Artemisinin and perhaps give it only once a day for three consecutive days, late at night when it will be the most effective due to the higher metabolic rate of cancer cells at night. A one dose per day schedule should help with the side effects. You can then rely more on the IP-6/Inositol as it shouldn’t produce the negative side effects like Artemisinin does. In fact, I’ve seen no side effects using the IP-6/Inositol so far and this helps to maintain quality of life. Right now, Molly may very likely just be feeling the side effects of the Artemisinin. Mandi has looked just awful for a few days after taking this and she gets even thinner due to how Artemisinin affects her appetite. But, after a break from the Artemisinin, she bounces back with improvement.
            The fact that Molly isn’t drooling is a BIG plus! Drooling ususally just gets worse if nothing is stopping the cancer so I do believe that you are gaining ground. Mandi’s drooling has been so bad in the past that she continually had a string of drool hanging out of her mouth.
            On the days that I don’t give Mandi Artemisinin, I sometimes give her two capsules of IP-6/Inositol at a time. I do this twice a day and I sometimes give her a third dose using just one capsule. I’ve noticed that the color of the cancer in Mandi’s mouth has become more pale. Perhaps it’s due to a lack of iron from the IP-6 chelating it. It sure looks like “anemic” cancer to me.
            Over time, Mandi has gotten more used to me doctoring her up but it took over a year to accomplish this and my technique has also improved with time so that probably helped too. After I give Mandi’s stuff to her, I make it a point to sit and hold her for a good while and just cuddle with her. She purrs and purrs and snuggles her head up on my shoulder or under my chin and we just rest ourselves together. I also do this when I’m not giving anything to her so she won’t think that the only time she gets any attention from me is at medicine time. This is one full time job with overtime!
            If you can, look in Molly’s mouth and see if there are any changes in the cancer. I’ve found that this type of cancer can change very, very fast, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse and it’s wise to keep a visual check on it. To do this, I use a small flashlight that I hold between my teeth so both my hands are free to work with the kitty. Look for changes in size and color.
            I wouldn’t make any drastic decisions just yet as I expect that Molly may well perk up after a break from the Artemisinin. Appearances can be deceiving and Molly may have actually gained ground but it won’t look like it until she gets over the effects of the Artemisinin.
            You hang in there girl!!! I’m rooting for you and Molly! Keep me posted.
            PS – I used to have a kitty named Molly and she was so very special to me. I had her for seventeen wonderful years.

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 17, 2015 at 7:53 pm #

            Debra, I forgot to tell you something about Artemisinin. When Mandi pees out of her litter box, it most often happens when she’s taking Artemisinin on a twice a day schedule and she pees more often too. A nurse told me that Artemisinin is a diuretic. This may be a factor in Molly’s accidents.
            My hunch, and this is just a hunch, is that Molly is experiencing the side effects of Artemisinin. However, if there is a bladder/urinary infection, Echinacea/goldenseal blend should help and it also has the added benefit of boosting the immune system. If you want to read more about this, I found it on “The Animal Herbalist” website. I’ve used it for my bobtail kitty, Teddy, who is hyperthyroid and has cystitis, an inflammation of the bladder and it helps him. Teddy is Mandi’s neary sixteen year old kitten. I also give this to Mandi to help prevent bacterial infections in her mouth.
            Something to think about when/if you take Molly in to your vet to check for a possible bladder infection – If your veterinarian is open to alternative methods of treatment, they will be more understanding about what you’re trying to do. But if they know nothing about it, they may make things sound worse than they are. My “know nothing about holistic medicine” vet told me on October 1, 2014 that the end was very near for Mandi. That’s been seven months ago!!! Most people would have accepted without question the vet’s bleak prognosis and that would have been the end of it all. Remember that conventional, non-holistic vets are playing in a totally different ball park and their methods of treatment are based on a totally different foundation of reasoning.
            Look deep before you leap and choose wisely.

          • Susan Miller May 18, 2015 at 6:34 am #

            Love all of your wise input and suggestions! I just ordered Dr. Pitcairns new book. I have a young cat, that the “traditional, young, money hungry vet” stated had the beginnings “struvite crystals” forming in her bladder and that not only did she need S/O (special order) cat food to dissolve the crystals, he stated she would need “surgery.”

            There are many “natural, holistic” treatments for these crystals BEFORE they become solid stones. I understand that once stones are formed, certain types may need surgery.
            The vet can run a urine analysis and can tell which stones may be prevalent.
            The vet I use, knows I have budget constraints, yet refuses to give me other options, thus, I have needed to look elsewhere.

            My youngster (with possible struvite issues) also misses the box, or goes near it. I got several of those large rubber mats to put under the box, to prevent messes on the carpet. Then I can take them out side, treat with 50/50 vinegar/water solution (neutralizes the smell) and I let that set awhile, then hose off and let air dry. (I have several that I rotate out)

            We love our fur-kids and will doing ANYTHING to help make them happy and comfortable!

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 18, 2015 at 9:01 am #

            Debra, I’ve got a Shepherd/Husky mix that had a bladder stone surgically removed about eight years ago. The vet wanted to put her on a prescription dog food that cost eighty dollars a bag. Dr. Pitcairn’s book gave me an quick, easy fix for this – 500 mg vit C twice a day. Of course, the vet said it’d never work as struvite stones are usually accompanied by an infection as well and it would likely be an on-going problem. That’s been eight years ago and there’s been no problems and I still give Vit C to her. Effective, cheap, easy fix.
            I’ve noticed that most vets these days tend to not suggest anything that doesn’t bring in revenue.

          • Debra Costas May 18, 2015 at 11:08 am #

            Hi Viv, Just got back from the vet. Molly had just peed on the floor before we went so the vet couldn’t get a urine sample but she gave her an antibiotic shot just in case. Then it turned out her bowels were really backed up so she gave her an enema. She was also dehydrated so they gave her fluids. I decided to bring her home and wait for the enema to work. I shut her in the bathroom and she has been in and out of the pan trying to go. Does the Arteminisinin constipate? I know you had just the oposite problem. I haven’t tried to give her anything at all the last couple days and she hasn’t eaten anything so the vet suggested I liquify some food and try to get it into her. The vet also gave me the 1 M/L syringes as well as a couple larger ones for food. If she is better later today or tomorrow I will try to get back to giving her the IP6/Inositol and her herb tonic. I hope since she didn’t have it yesterday or today it won’t inhibit the therapy. When the vet looked in her mouth she said her tongue is purple and it looked to me like the tip was curled backwards. I don’t know if I can continue to do this. I can tell she is miserable. She was down to a little over 4 pounds.

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 18, 2015 at 12:40 pm #

            Debra, Artemisinin does not cause constipation and neither does the IP-6/Inositol. Molly probably isn’t drinking enough water and the location of the cancer may be a factor in this as the cancer makes it harder for her to drink. In fact, I read on Healthy Pets that dehyration is the most common cause of constipation in cats. Dehydration also causes weight loss from loss of water.
            Something that I used to for Mandi in the early days is KMR Milk Replacement for kittens. It is also recommended for distressed cats. It comes in a can ready to give and it is also available as a powder that you mix up with water. I used the powder as it was on sale. It can be given with a syringe or medicine dropper. This provides water and also nutrition. KMR is a good brand to use. I have also used Ringers Solution before with a different pet. Ringer’s is injected subcu.
            Mandi’s cancer is also generally dark purple. Back in the early days when I started off using the Molasses Baking Soda Cancer Cure, the cancer turned a milky WHITE! Then, her mouth healed and all the ulceration was gone! However, the cancer didn’t stay completely gone, but it did stay much smaller until the cancer spread to the other side of her mouth and then it was HUGE! Mandi couldn’t eat at all and I had to gave her liquids with a syringe until I could shrink the cancer with Artemisinin. I ended up giving her Artemisinin twice a day in spite of the known side effects as I knew the side effects would be temporary. It took a while to shrink it down good.
            Initially when I first began treating Mandi myself in April 2014, I used the Baking Soda/Mollasses Cancer Cure along with Tripple Blend of Shiitake, Maitake, Reishi Mushrooms that I got from Swanson’s. This formed the backbone of her cancer therapy for several months and her mouth stayed reasonably good at least visually. I think that this slowed the cancer down, but it was still working its way down into her jaw until in Oct 2014, she got the abscess and the cancer spread to the other side of her mouth where it really grew fast. I changed battle strategy and once again, I went to war against cancer with better weapons of destruction. Right now, with what I’m currently using, the dark purple cancer has become pale. A good sign, I think.
            It is a constant battle to keep ahead of this and I sure do get battle fatigue, but I keep on because of what I believe it is possible to do.

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 18, 2015 at 1:02 pm #

            Debra, I forgot to say that I wouldn’t discontinue any cancer therapy as I don’t think that is the problem. If nothing is done to stop the cancer, it will continue to get worse. However, use your own judgement as you are the one who has got hands on contact with this and can see it best. Mandi is my first and hopefully only cancer cat I will ever have so my experience is limited to this one cat and not all cancer treatments will work the same for all cats or for anybody else for that matter.
            Keep on keeping on,

          • Debra Costas May 18, 2015 at 3:33 pm #

            Hi Viv,

            No poop so I called the vet and she had me bring her in for more fluids and another enema. They are also going to give her a shot for nausea. I did give her some food via syringe and she threw up most of it. I have been concerned about her fluid intake and didn’t realize she hadn’t been pooping as my husband takes care of the cat pans. I am going back in about an hour to pick her up, hopefully, all pooped out! I will start her back on the IP6/Insoitol and herbs tonight if she can keep it down. I am just going to have to give her liquids by syringe to keep her hydrated, I guess. I felt so bad for her. I shut her in the bathroom and she just kept going to the pan and trying and trying with no results. She has to be just miserable!

            When I first got Molly and Sampson, her brother, I gave them the KMR via a doll’s baby bottle since they were only 9 days old, so I am familiar with that. That is a good thought that she will get some nutrition as well as fluid.

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 18, 2015 at 4:27 pm #

            Oh Debra, this has got to be just worse than awful to go through. It’s so hard to see your furbaby like this and feel so helpless to do anything. Yep, I’ve been there. One of Mandi’s bob tailed kittens that she gave birth to soon after she came to me as a stray in 1999 was born just a little too bob-tailed. She was missing some nerves that affected both her rear end and her back legs and this couldn’t be fixed. It shortened her life in spite of all that was done for her. She had mega-colon and toward the last few months of her life, she would obstipate which is even worse than constipation. I gave her Metamucil or it’s equivalent and a stool softener, Colace, I think it was. It helped. I nicknamed her “Rubber Legs” when she was first starting to walk before I gave her the more better permanent name of Baby Bunny. She never got very big and was always especially close to her mother Mandi. I had her for eight years and seven months and she quietly left me soon after I brought her home from her last round of enemas. There was just so very little that could be done and I felt so helpless. This just couldn’t be fixed by anyone or anything.
            Soon after she passed, she came to me in a dream one night. It was such a wonderful dream! In my dream, she jumped all the way over my head because she wanted me to see that she was now made whole. She was so scamper pawed proud and happy to show me how strong she was that she just pranced! The dream was so real that it abruptly awoke me as if I had been suddenly startled awake by something. I’ve never forgotten this dream and I never will.
            There is still hope for Molly. I’ve seen times when things like this do a turn around even when it looked about as hopeless as trying to fix a burned out shattered light bulb.
            It is always darkest before the dawn. Hang in there, dawn’s a comin’ !!!

          • Debra Costas May 18, 2015 at 5:18 pm #

            Dear Viv, I don’t know what I would do without your encouragement! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! I just picked up Molly about an hour ago and she is much happier! They gave her more fluids and another enema and that cleared her out. Thank you, Lord! The vet said she shouldn’t eat till tomorrow but I am going to resume her herbs and IP6/Inositol tonight. She had a shot for nausea so I think the vet just wants her digestive tract to have a bit of a rest. Which makes sense.

            So sorry to hear about Mandi’s baby! What an ordeal and she lived such a short sweet life. I’m sure you gave her the very best of care.

            My vet is actually one of the best in the area and even tho’ they are not wholistically oriented they are open to it. They have been our vet for over 35 years now and I do trust them. I just educate them now and then :)

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 18, 2015 at 5:41 pm #

            Yes, indeed Debra, thank you Lord! I’m so glad to get the good news about Molly.
            Now, you all can get a good rest tonight.

          • Debra Costas May 19, 2015 at 7:11 am #

            Hi Viv, I did sleep most of the nite but woke up early wondering if we are doing the right thing. I got a good look at her tongue and it is black at the back and at the tip. I gave her the IP6/Inositol and herbs and shortly after she was drooling a little blood again. I don’t know if I hit her tongue with the syringe and caused it to bleed or what. The vet said she could eat today but she wasn’t interested this AM. I may try giving her some with the syringe and see how she does. She watches me like a hawk ready to take flight if she sees the syringe. I will give her a 50mg dose of the Artemisinin tonight that I have in a capsule along with a little Salmon oil. I think I will try and use butter to plug up the 1/2 capsules as we don’t use Velveeta and I think that will work. My biggest worry now is keeping her hydrated. She did get in the sink and take a drink after her meds but I don’t think she really gets much water. I did notice that the very tiny tip of her tongue was white, which you said means the cancer is regressing. I just don’t know if putting her through this is worth it. Both of us are nervous, stressed wrecks! Seeing as how we just spent another $200+ at the vets I think for the moment I will keep trying but I’m not sure about the long term.

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 19, 2015 at 9:42 am #

            Debra, you’re really between a rock and a hard spot right now. It’s difficult to know what to do. Since Molly’s cancer involves her tongue, it’s going to be harder to work with. From what I’ve read, bloody drool is common with this type of cancer. Mandi has drooled, sometimes constantly, but so far I’ve not seen any blood. My two cats that I doctor up have also watched for any syringes and would run for cover if they saw any even when I held them in my mouth. They can also learn to listen for any suspicious sounds too. Over time, my two learned the “medicine schedule” and would make themselves scarce. However, that was in the earlier days and it’s not nearly as bad now since this has become “normal” life for us.
            The white on Molly’s tongue may be unrelated to the cancer, but we can hope that it means the cancer is regressing. I don’t even know for sure that’s the reason Mandi’s mouth turned white, but only the cancer side of her mouth did this and the cancer backed off. The most significant time this happened was when I started her on the Molasses/Baking Soda Cancer Cure. She was also given a Prednisone injection a few weeks before and although she had responded well to this before, this time it didn’t seem to be shrinking the cancer any. However, after beginning the Mol/Bkg Soda, it only took two weeks for Mandi’s mouth to look like it had no cancer. I saw smooth skin! As her mouth healed, the normal pink color returned, that is, until the cancer reared up it’s ugly head again and I found new battle strategy.
            I read on a holistic vets website that in his experience, combining conventional methods with alternative methods of cancer treatment produced better results than either method would produce when used alone. That may be why I saw the dramatic results when I used Mol/Bkg Soda after the Prednisone injection. What does your vet think about using Prednisone for Molly?
            Fighting cancer is one of the hardest jobs I’ve ever done and it don’t get any easier. But, on I go. Take care and just do your best. When you’ve done your best, you’ve done it all.

          • Debra Costas May 20, 2015 at 6:44 am #

            Hi Viv, Molly has returned to eating on her own and being her old self! PTL Last nite we had ribs for dinner. The minute I put the bone down she whipped it away and jumped to the floor….yep, she is back to normal! She loves to chew off the bits of meat from bones. Of course I am very careful to only let her have big bones than can’t hurt her. She went at it chewing on that rib and ripping the meat off! She did bleed a little bit but it stopped right away. I syringe fed her 2 meals yesterday and extra water along with her meds including one 50mg dose of the Artemisinin. I am going to try just giving her one dose today and tomorrow and see how that goes. I am also going to give her extra water via syringe. I did buy the milk replacement powder and will probably use that too. Do you have any idea how much fluid cats need per day? I am going to see if I can find that out. She still drinks from the faucet but with the lack of tongue use I don’t think she gets much that way. I think that in combo with the Artemisinin depressing her appetite (so no fluid from food) probably caused the poop back up. Her brother Sammy wouldn’t eat again last nite but did eat this AM. I think he is just acting up to get his “daddy” in a tizzy! He is acting normal otherwise and he could stand to lose some weight so I am not too worried about him at the moment. My husband, however, gets all upset when he doesn’t eat as he has always been a “chow hound”. It was so funny last nite when Jim fed him and Molly walked over and calmly ate all Sammy’s food and wanted more!! That’s when I knew she was OK! I don’t know if I can go thru that again, tho. And there is also the problem of finding someone compassionate and reliable to care for her when we need to go out of town. Jim won’t do any of the syringing and I don’t know of anyone and last time we went away for a show our “kitty sitter” only got one dose into her for the 2 1/2 days we were gone. We have not even planned a vacation this year because I don’t know what to do about Molly and then we have the Fall Show season with our alpacas we really need to do for the business. I am praying that God will supply and He always has so we will see how things go. Again, thanks so much for all your help! How many pets do you have? What do you do when you have to be away?

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 20, 2015 at 10:00 am #

            Debra, it’s great to hear good news about Molly! I’m sooooo…. glad that she can eat again!!!
            However, just so you’ll be prepared, this will probably come and go. It may be that the chewing these cats do when they are able to eat serves to inflame the cancer which once again makes it hard for them to eat. It’s like a vicious cycle, on and off, up and down, like a yo-yo. To make the most out of this, I try to give Mandi food that is easier to chew so I can keep her eating well for as long as I can. For example, Mandi likes raw beef steak and I dice it up as small as I can to make it easier for her to chew and less irritating to the cancer in her mouth. I give her platters of soft scrambled eggs and I save the broth for her from home cooked chicken and turkey. I think that the milk replacement is a good idea as it will give Molly a way to eat that won’t be hard on her mouth. I don’t know how much fluid a cat needs. However, as hard as it is to get anything down a cat, I doubt you’re in any danger of overdosing on it.
            I’ve got six cats and three dogs. Most of mine are older and several have health problems that I am also treating myself. It’s non-stop around here!
            I’ve never had to deal with who takes care of my pets when I’m away as I never go anywhere. I’m a real home body. I’ve always been this way. If my mother hadn’t made me get a drivers license before I went off to college, I doubt I would have thought of it by myself.
            Keep up the good work with Molly’s cancer therapy as cancer will not be stopped unless it is completely destroyed. Show no mercy and take no prisoners!!! Down with cancer I say!!!
            Viv :)))

          • Debra Costas May 21, 2015 at 2:13 pm #

            Hi Viv, My, you have your hands full!! Molly continues to do well and I am giving her the milk replacement formula. My vet said that she needs about 2 + ounces a day of liquid so I just keep squirting the milk, water in her mouth all day. She still drinks from the faucet but until she regains the use of her tongue she doesn’t get as much liquid that way as she could. I did give her the Artemisinin last nite using butter to seal the 1/2 capsule and it worked like a charm! The only thing I wonder is if she needs more fat that just a pin head size blob. She does get Salmon oil mixed in with her wet food as well so maybe that is OK. She wants food all the time now so I am beginning to wonder if her thyroid meds are right. On the other hand her brother Sam won’t eat his wet food anymore! He is usually our chow hound so I am not sure what is going on with him. He will eat his dry food but he doesn’t seem to want his treats either. He’s got my husband in a dither as Sam is “his” cat!

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 21, 2015 at 4:05 pm #

            Debra, it sounds like you’ve got pilling down to an art! But, I think Molly probably does need more fat than what’s in the butter plug. Even though Molly is getting Salmon oil when she eats, I’ve read that fat needs to be given with the Artemisinin since it is fat soluable. I reallly don’t know how much fat is needed. I searched the internet when I first started using Artemisinin and all I could find out was to “give it with some fat”. Not very clear! It may be that the amount of fat isn’t critical, but I wish that a general guideline had been provided with the info on how to give this. I give Mandi Artemisiin dissolved in about one ml of flax oil and then follow it up with another one ml syringe loaded with just plain flax oil and sometimes I give her a little more to help wash down the bitter taste. I’ve read that if your cat likes milk, that they can be given some whole milk to supply the fat. .If you search the internet, you may have better luck than I did in finding more info on this topic. It’s probably out there somewhere in computer land.
            It may be that Molly wants food all the time because she’s not been able to eat for a while and she’s just extra hungry now. It’s hard to know without lab tests and that can get expensive.
            A natural product called “Only Natural Pet Thyroid Wellness Feline” seems to have good reviews. Some of the reviewers said that their vet recommended it to them. I don’t know what is best, prescription meds or a more natural treatment that would hopefully eliminate some of the side effects of stronger drugs. Sometimes there just doesn’t seem to be a good choice and we then must make do with what’s available that we can afford and hope for the best.

          • Debra Costas May 21, 2015 at 9:37 pm #

            Hi Viv, Yes, I think she probably needs more fat with it too so I am going to give her some extra Salmon Oil tonight when she gets her last Artemisinin for the week. I also gave her some oil from a can of mackrel I had for lunch the other day. Yes, I must admit I am pretty good at “pilling”!! :)

          • Debra Costas May 24, 2015 at 5:25 am #

            Hi Viv, Molly hasn’t pooped since Tuesday. I have been giving her as much water by syringe as I can and we have been giving her Metamucil in her food but she is again nauseous and dehydrated. She didn’t eat much last nite and this AM I can tell she doesn’t feel good. I think it is time to say good-bye. Her tongue now protrudes a bit out of the side of her mouth and the tip is misshapen so I doubt there is any hope of her gaining the use of it back again. Yesterday she sat in the cat tree in the sun most of the day. She was outside enjoying a beautiful day so I’m glad she got to do that one last time. Thanks so much for all your help and encouragement. Because of it she had an extra she got an extra 4 months of life, a pretty comfortable time with a couple exceptions. I will call the vet in the morning. I can’t put her thru all that again and we can’t afford to keep doing it.

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 24, 2015 at 9:33 am #

            Debby, it sounds like Molly may have more than one thing going on and it looks like there may not be a lot that can effectively be done about it. Considering Molly’s age of 16 years, she has lived a long full life and I don’t think that you’d be cutting her life off short by letting her go.
            If you want to read about more options on controlling constipation –
            Constipated Cats | Little Big

            If dehyration is the problem, Ringers Solution might give some quick relief. I used this once and the vet injected it subcu although the pet owner can do this too. Her diet would probably need to be changed as well. However, even if the constipation could be effectively dealt with, the location of Molly’s cancer is a big factor as well.
            Use your best judgement and do what is best for her. We can’t always find a cure, but we can always to our best and that’s all that anyone can do. Whatever you decide, take comfort in knowing that you have given Molly a long, full life where she was loved and cherished as a family member.
            A veterinarian once told me that if I didn’t lose my pets eventually, then who would take care of the others who need a home? If possible, when I lose a pet, I try to do just that by adopting another pet in need. Out of great sorrow can come even greater joy!

          • Debra Costas May 24, 2015 at 1:35 pm #

            Thanks, Viv! I have walked this road before and it is so hard. She is weak and very dehydrated. She is peeing but no poop. I stayed home from church today to be with her and we sat in the rocker out on the patio for a while. Unfortunately tomorrow is a holiday so she will have to get thru one more day before I can get her to the vet. I know she must be nauseous. She threw up greenish yellow stuff. I did give her a does of Miralax as the vet had recommended but nothing. At least she doesn’t seem to be in pain and her kidneys are continuing to work. We still have her brother, Sam who is also 17 and he seems to be in good health. I don’t know if I should still try to give her water thru the syringe or not. Whenever I come toward her she gets this wary look in her eye and gets ready to go hide so I almost think that I would rather give her some peace, at least for her last day and 1/2. We will probably get one or two cats from the shelter which will bring joy back into our lives but probably not for a little bit. The kids(my great niece and nephews who are like our grandkids and live a few blocks away) want us to get kittens but we’ll see. Sam (who adores my husband, who let’s him get away with murder!) might find kittens a distraction from some of his destructive behaviors (clawing the door moldings Grrrr!). I don’t know if I want to go thru the kitten stage again but they are awfully cute! There are many shelters around here so there will be plenty of options.

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 24, 2015 at 2:04 pm #

            Debby, you might could try plain, unflavored Pedialyte or Walmart’s equivalent to help keep her hydrated and it might help her to feel better. I’ve used that before with pets. Also, the herb slippery elm is good for constipation. Molly may be constipated due to lack of water because her ability to drink is limited because of the cancer. If you want to try to give her a bit of nourishment, it might be good to give her something like plain yogurt that would be easy on her digestive system. Yogurt contains helpful bacteria and it would also be easy on her mouth and it could be given with a syringe if diluted down a bit.
            It’s hard to know what to do when you’re in this kind of situation. Sometimes there just aren’t any good choices to be had.
            Take care and just do your best.

          • Debra Costas May 24, 2015 at 3:22 pm #

            Thanks for the suggestions, Viv!

          • Susan Miller May 18, 2015 at 6:17 am #

            Just a quick note for you all trying to “pill” a cat. On Amazon, they sell a “pill shooter”…it is smaller than the ones found at the local pet stores. (your vet may also have the smaller ones…mine did not..) It’s only $3-4, and if you happen to be a “Prime” customer, then shipping is free. This helped me “dose” all of my cats.

            Also, some cats LOVE the taste of Coconut Oil, and it masks the bitterness of pills. I either put some oil on the pill before shooting it, or give them a dollop immediately afterwards.

            Just ideas…we have to get very creative and outsmart our pets!

      • Duke May 4, 2015 at 11:30 pm #

        Hello thank you for great advice and I have a question. I bought this Thorne Research Fix oil was recommended by Dr Loop and it is gelcap.. Do anybody know how can i feed this to my cat? thank you

        • VeggieNut-Viv May 5, 2015 at 6:50 am #

          Duke, I give gel caps to cats too and this is how I do it. I first roll the gel cap around between my fingers to soften it up. Then, I snip off the tip end of the gel cap with a small pair of scissors and squeeze out the contents into a small mixing container like a small baby food jar or suitable bottle lid. I then mix this with water or organic flax oil and give it with a syringe. The syringe I measure the flax oil or water with is also the syringe I use to give this with so that the final volumn of whatever I’m mixing won’t be too large to fit into the syringe. If the kitty isn’t too picky, it could be mixed in with some tasty food.

          • Duke May 5, 2015 at 10:13 pm #

            Hello Veggis Nut thank you very much for information.
            So it is okay to mix with water?
            You know it has been working is and i got this advice from Dr. Loop and he said you can mix remedy with tuna water. You know those tuna can for human? and has water in it? and mix with remedy and my cat love it…. you think i can try tuna water with liquid in gel cap?

            thank you so much

          • VeggieNut-Viv May 6, 2015 at 8:25 am #

            Artemisinin is the only thing I’m giving that needs to be given with fat so I always use some kind of fat with that. Anything else, I use usually use water and I sometimes give her herbs to her by making tea with them. Since Mandi, my cancer kitty, is thin I figure that the calorie filled oil is an extra plus for her.
            I think tuna water would be a good way to make what you’re giving taste better. Cats tend to like to eat what smells good to them and using tuna water should help make medicine time easier for the both of you.
            Fortunately, over time, my Mandi has become very easy to work with. I hold her very gently by wrapping my left arm around her while she rests her head on my forearm and I always say to her, “I help you, I help my kitty kitty.” She seems to understand. After I give her medicine to her, I often spend some time just holding her up close to me as we enjoy one another’s company as we sit snuggled up together in a rocking chair. Medicine time is not so traumatic anymore but it took a while for it to become this way.

  3. Nat May 20, 2015 at 5:34 pm #

    Hello, can someone help me with this conern?

    I was referred to this blog out of deperation and am now very hopefuly that perhaps my swet kitty will have a chance at survival. My cat Zoe is diagnosed with fibrosarcoma and we’ve decided to go with a more alternative/holistic approach rather than surgery and radiation. I went with the recommended products from your amazing story and bought the Advance Immune Restoration Protocol, and have started on the celloquent. I’ve seen some improvements in activity level and appetite, but was wondering if that can be given in combination with the “Natural Pet Immune Strengthener” and “Life Gold cancer support”? I tried to research online to see if these supplements might interfere or if the recommended dosage should change when given in combination. However, I couldn’t find any informatin whatsoever.

    Please help if you can. Thank you!

  4. Ammy May 24, 2015 at 2:06 am #

    Hello I was wondering if anyone could help me with a question? My beloved cat yuna has recently been given only a month left to live by the vet she has a tumor in her mouth and its causing her mandible to swell push her tongue to the side and has a hard egg like growth under her chin. She is having trouble eating but is still hungry and affectionate though still tired. To the two ladies with the cats mandi and molly I was wondering if you could share how your cats are doing now on the IP6/inositol with artemisinin? And If anyone knows if I can or should mix the IP6/inotisol and artemisinin with the products recommended in the article the advanced immune restoration protocol/ nu pet powde/ es clear/ would be really appreciated if anyone could share if they have tried both or know of anything more about it. I would really appreciate any info love my cat dearly and am desperate to help her however I can.

    • VeggieNut-Viv May 24, 2015 at 8:56 am #

      Hi, Ammy, I’ve got Mandi who has mouth cancer located in the back of her mouth on both sides. She’s holding her own right now with the IP6/Inositol and Artemisinin. She can eat on her own right now but she does best with soft, easy to eat food that she doesn’t have to chew much. Her cancer is located near her back teeth and chewing too much can irritate the cancer which makes it worse. Thankfully, she laps up liquids well and I’ve used KMR milk replacement for her as well as lactose free whole milk, canned evaporated milk, soft scrambled eggs and chicken/turkey broth. Her cancer was found in October of 2013 when I saw her drooling and took her to the vet expecting that she probably had a dental problem. I’ve been figting cancer ever since. It’s been over a year and a half now and she’s 17 years old.
      When the cancer spread to the other side of her head in Oct 2014, I used Artemisinin to shrink it. The cancer was so massive that she couldn’t even eat. I had to feed her liquids with a syringe until I could get the cancer to shrink. Artemisninin seems to shrink cancer the fastest of what I’ve used. Up until this happened I didn’t use the Artemisinin as often because too much of it gives her diarrhea, suppresses her appetite and she just dosesn’t seem to feel good so I use it more sparingingly to avoid the side effects. I added IP6/Inositol later on when I found out about it and it doesn’t seem to bother her any. Check out “a mini protocol for treating any cancer in dogs and cats”. This has seemed to work the best of what I’ve tried. Currently, I use IP6/Inositol, Artemisinin, CoQ10, a multi-vitamin, Echinacea/goldenseal and other herbs.
      I don’t know how the IP6/Inositol and Artemisinin would work with the Advanced Restoration Protocol as I’ve never researched it or tried it. Both IP6/Inositol and Artemisinin work on the basis that cancer cells contain more iron than do normal cells. Artemisinin targets the higher iron cancer cells and and leaves lower iron normal cells alone. When Artemisinin gains entry into the cancer cells, it forms free radicals and destroys the cancer. IP6 is a chelator and is also attracted to the higher iron cancer cells. The IP6 chelates (binds) the iron which makes the iron unavailable to the cancer cells so that they cannot replicate. The Inositol is not a chelator but it enhances the effectiveness of the IP6.
      Perhaps you could ask the manufacturer of The Advanced Restoration Protocol products if it can be used with IP6/Inositol and Artemisinin. It’s good to hit cancer from more than one direction, but you want to know that what you’re using is compatible.
      Good luck to you and Yuna!

      • Ammy May 24, 2015 at 10:24 am #

        Hello viv thankyou for your quick reply I also thought that with yuna that it was just dental problems and she even had her lower canine and the two teeth behind it removed that was about a month ago. They were loose and hurting her. After the teeth were removed her jaw swelled with hard bone likeness along the mandible and to the middle of the chin with puffy looking growth around the extracted teeth area on the inside. We thought that she had an infection from the extraction so when the vet was saying she seemed to have very aggressive cancer it was heartbreaking. The vet was basing it on she didn’t have apparent growth when the teeth were extracted but within a months time it got so far. Since getting the diagnosis last week I have been doing nothing but reading ways that I can make her more comfortable and extend her quality life. These are the right items right? Item: SWU286, Item: SW874, Item: DB076 from swanson. I want to make sure I order the right ones. Hearing your story has given me the most hope I have had this whole time since hearing the cancer diagnosis. That is a great idea to contact the manufacturer of the advanced restoration protocol to see if they can work together I hadn’t thought of that. They would surely know the best about the interactions. In the meantime I have been trying the baking soda/syrup but she has barfed that up the last couple days. That is wonderful that you and mandi have stayed strong against the battle with cancer I also wish you and mandi the best luck in your journey.

        • VeggieNut-Viv May 24, 2015 at 1:02 pm #

          The Artemisinin I use is the Swanson brand (SWH111) but it was recently discontinued by Swanson. I looked up Drs. Best on Swanson’s site and the labels are similiar except that Swanson’s label stated that their brand was standardized Another brand that I’ve seen recommended on-line is made by Holley Pharmaceuticals. It’s available in both 100 mg and 50 mg potency. The 50 mg size makes it convenient since you don’t have to divide the capsules but the 100 mg potency gives you a better price so you get more bang for your buck. The dosage I’ve read recommended by holistic vets is 50mg twice a day.
          For the Inositol, I got my first bottle the same as the item number you provided but when I re-ordered, I got the jar of loose powder so I wouldn’t have to divide the capsule and also because the jar of powder is pharmaceutical grade. I give Inositol to another one of my kitties too.
          From what I’ve read, IP6/Inositol needs to be given at roughly a four to one ratio of IP6 to Inositol. I got the ratio from looking at the label on Cell Forte which combines the IP6 and Inositol together and it was about a four to one ratio. If you use the Swanson brand capsules of Inositol, each capsule should provide about 5 doses. Their loose powder includes a scoop but it’s for five grams which is way too much. I use the flat end of a toothpick to measure with and then eyeball it based on what the amout looked like when I used the capsules and had to divide them. Since the loose powder is pharmceutical grade and I also give it to Teddy, I thought it might be the easiest for me.
          It’s a real shocker when you go to the vet expecting something that can be fixed and then find out it’s cancer. What the vet did seemed to be little more than bandaid therapy as the effects didn’t last hardly any time and the cancer would come back with a vengence until finally, it didn’t seem to help at all.
          Mandi is my first cancer cat so I started off totally bewildered as to what to do when I decided that I would have to treat her myself. I began with the Molasses/Baking Soda Cancer cure with mushrooms and other herbs and she did pretty good on that for a good while. However, the Mol/Bkg Soda tastes awful and it can cause digestive upsets so it takes some time working with it to learn how to use it. I never could find out what dose to give a cat but I did read that when you first start using it to treat cancer in people, increase the dose gradually and back off on the amount of the dose if you see diarrhea. I mostly played it by ear. I like the IP6/Inositol as it is claimed to be non-toxic and doesn’t seem to have side effects. As best as I can fing out, the dosage seems to be determined by how severe and advanced the cancer is. I began by giving Mandi one capsule of the Swanson IP6 twice a day, then upped it to three times a day and now I sometimes give her two capsules at a time and of course, I include Inositol with each dose of IP6.
          The Artemisinin causes Mandi to lose her appetite, pee more and have diarrhea if I give it very often, so I use it sparingly. However, I’ve read that most cats/dogs tolerate it well.
          Hoping for the very, very best,

          • MommaCat's Momma June 10, 2015 at 7:26 am #

            Hello Viv. I hope you don’t mind my jumping in. I have a rescue kitty I got almost 5 years ago when she was pregnant. Recently, she was diagnosed with lymphoma and I really do not think she is more than 7 or 8 years old. It is nasal, and has actually grown on her forehead from there. It is inoperable. She had a CT scan yesterday, so that is how we found out where it started and that it is inoperable.The surgeon gave me a dose of prednisone 5mg to give her twice per day for a week and then with a three week tapering schedule. I was wondering if I could start something holistic like you’ve mentioned here, while still giving her the prednisone. Is this possible? She is happy and eating, only issue is discomfort to her left eye, I am sure, as she cannot open it all the way from the forehead tumor. I wanted to try to shrink it as she is very happy and seems to be free of pain. They mentioned radiation and it does seem to be what they do for nasal lymphoma, but it sounds like torture, is hours away and I do not think that I can put her through that. :-( Any thoughts you have would be so very much appreciated.

            Thank you for posting all of this information!

          • VeggieNut-Viv June 10, 2015 at 9:06 am #

            My 17 yr.old kitty Mandi has oral squamous cell carcinoma which is mouth cancer and she is the only cancer cat I’ve ever had and hopefully my last. Mouth cancer is the only cancer I’ve had experience with. However, from what I’ve read about cancer in general is that conventional medicine combined with holistic medicine often produces better results than either one used alone. “A Path with Paws” has a good article about Artemisinin which I’ve been giving to Mandi for a long time now. When you read this article be sure to read the questions/comments below as a lot of info is there. According to what I’ve read there, Artemisinin can be used with Predinisone. However, it shouldn’t be used if the cat is undergoing radiation therapy. ARTEMISININ IS MOST EFFECTIVE AGAINST LYMPHOMA, fibrosarcoma, bone cancer and squamous cell carcinoma. Dosage of Artemisinin for cats is 50 mg twice a day. Give this for a few days, then break in order to maintain best absorption of the Artemisinin. The “on” and “off” schedule varies with the pet. Research the internet for more info from pet owners who have successfully used this. Most cats tolerate this well, but it gives my Mandi diarrhea if I give it for too many days without a break. I used Artemisinin to shrink Mandi’s cancer when it spread to the other side of her head back in Oct 2014. It was so massive that she couldn’t eat and I had to feed her liquids with a syrings but the Artemisinin shrank it. Later on I discovered IP-6/Inositol which doesn’t seem to bother her and it works well with the Artemisinin. Check out “a mini-protocol for treating any cancer in dogs and cats”. This is where I found out about IP-6/Inositol.
            I used to get Artemisinin from Swanson’s Vitamins but they have discontinued the product that I used. The most recommended source that I’ve found of obtaining Artemisinin is Holley Pharmaceuticals and the reviews I’ve read are favorable and they come from people who have pets with cancer. Just be sure to discontinue the Artemisinin if you choose radiation therapy.
            Your kitty is much younger than Mandi as she’s now seventeen years old! Age is not as big a factor at 7 or 8 years old and this improves your odds for success. However, cancer is very aggressive, so time is of the essence. It would seem that Artemisinin is a good choice as many holistic vets use this. Read the articles I’ve mentions above and this will open more avenues of research.
            You are more than welcome to jump in at any time and ask me anything you want to and I’ll do my best to share what I know. That’s what’s good about this place. You can contact people who have been through this and learn from their experience. I’ve been fighting this war for one year and eight months now.
            Good luck and best wishes for success!!!

  5. Debra Costas May 28, 2015 at 7:12 am #

    Hi Viv, We put Molly down Tues. morning. She was miserable and I was just sick having to wait to put her down till Tues. due to the holiday on Monday. It has left a huge hole in our hearts as I’m sure you know. I wondered if there was a way to contact you directly as I would like to send you the remaining meds I have to thank you for your help and encouragement. You can contact me via the email below. On a happy note our alpaca had her baby yesterday! She was 12 days overdue but I think God had a hand in planning the timing!


    • VeggieNut-Viv May 28, 2015 at 10:21 am #

      I’m so sorry to hear of your loss of Molly. I know that it leaves a big hole in your heart that only she can fill. Take comfort in knowing that you gave her a long, happy life where she was a cherished family member. The type of cancer Molly had is very aggressive and its location makes it very hard to treat no matter what course of action you choose. Quality of life has to be considered in this too. Sometimes the last gift we can give to our pets is to ensure them a peaceful passing.
      I’m finding out that the IP-6/Inositol dosage needs to be more than what I originally thought. I’ve read where people take 8 to 12 capsules of this stuff several times a day to fight their cancer effectively. It was a different brand they were taking, but the label info was similar to Swanson’s. I’ve upped Mandi’s dosage so that I’m now giving her two IP-6 capsules at a time with an appropriate amount of Inositol. I just started this yesterday and I gave her two IP-6 capsules three times for a total of six and I’m not even sure that this is enough. I’ve not seen any adverse effects as of yet so hopefully this will boost effectiveness. I have read in several places that it has no side effects and it is non toxic. Hope this info is right but I do think that it might would have some effect if way too much was used. Water is non toxic too but you can still drown in it. However, cancer does have to be hit really hard to stop it or to even effectively slow it down. I will probably up the dosage some more if this goes well. Thankfully, this stuff doesn’t taste awful which makes it a lot easier to give than the Artemisinin. I never thought Mandi would make it this long but on we go.
      I still give Artemisinin off and on, but I do so with caution due to the side effects it has. For some unknown reason, Swanson has all of a sudden discontinued their brand of Artemisinin and no explanation was given. I called them, and all I found out was that it had been discontinued. Strange.
      I didn’t see your email but here is mine:

      I lost my Molly when she was seventeen years old and she was so special to me. She had come into my life soon after I had lost another seventeen year old cat, Tippy, who I was also very close to. The grief I felt when Tippy passed was like a bottomless pit. When Molly came to me as a stray kitten, she brought me much comfort so that I was no longer engulfed in grief. Many years later when I lost Molly, I felt that I would once again be blessed with another special kitty but I didn’t think there could ever be another one as special as my Molly. But, I decided that the next time I saw a needy cat or saw someone giving kittens away in the Walmart parking lot where I worked, that it would come home with me. The very next day after I made this decision, I was getting off work and lo and behold, there was a car parked near mine with – you guessed it – kittens!!! I saw a pretty one that I had just about decided to get, but in the back was a plain tabby colored one that kept looking at me with the most captivating eyes. We just kept catching each others eyes until I gave in and picked her. I felt that she was meant for me. I held her on my shoulder as I drove home with my other hand on the steering wheel. When we arrived, she immediately wanted special home cooked dinners which of course, I gave her, served on the kitchen counter which became “her” space and still is! It had only been ten days since Molly had passed and I already had another kitty in the house! My little Princess Taffy is now four and yes, she is just as special to me as was my Molly.
      There just may well be another special furbaby waiting for you too. Even though it will never take the place of Molly, you will love this one just as much. You don’t replace a departed pet, you just enlarge your family to include another. The love you have for a pet is a never ending, everlasting love that never runs out so there’s plenty to go around for them all and no one gets left out.

      • Desire' Ansaldo June 4, 2015 at 7:17 pm #

        I’m so Sorry to hear about Molly…..You did a wonderful job in caring for really did. They never leave us(: I learned long ago, no Love for person or animal will ever leave….another comes along, and its a different kind of Love because everyone and everything is different. We don’t replace, because each is an individual.
        My cat Squeaks has oral squamous cell carcinoma. That’s how I found this blog. Wish us Luck and Pray for her, Please. The growth has gotten like a big bubble on each side of her tongue. I started giving her a very small bit of Biogenics Collodial Silver….1/8 tsp. every other day. I’m also ordering Essiac tea capsules. Hopefully….it’ll shrink those tumors. She hasn’t lost any weight. Actually gained a pound. I’ll keep you all updated on her progress.
        The S.T.R.A.Y. Foundation for Homeless Animals

        • Debra Costas June 5, 2015 at 7:50 am #

          Dear Desire’,
          I am so sorry to hear about Squeaks! It is a hard battle but we were able to give Molly an extra 5 months of good life with the herbal formula I used. Also using Viv’s IP6/Insitol, Arteminisinin together would have helped her more. Her tumor was very tiny when found and under her tongue and I think that if I had used the IP6/Insitol and Arteminisinin together earlier I might have had more success. Once it takes over the tongue it is impossible to keep them hydrated unless you use IV hydration. Then they can’t poop and the poisons just go into the blood system. Do try the herbal formula and Viv’s protocol and hopefully you will have better success than I did with Molly. I will be praying for you and Squeaks!


    • VeggieNut-Viv May 28, 2015 at 11:02 am #

      Debby, I made a reply before this one but at the bottom it said it was waiting for moderation and now it has seemingly disappeared. I didn’t receive the automated email response either so it may be lost. In case it re-appears, I won’t repeat myself, but I did forget to congratulate you on your new little baby alpca. I didn’t see your email, but I included mine in my first reply. Maybe it isn’t lost. If it is, we’ll try again.

      • Debra Costas May 28, 2015 at 2:22 pm #

        Hi Viv, I did see your first response so it didn’t get totally lost!

    • Chere May 28, 2015 at 11:29 am #

      Sorry to hear about Molly…

      • Debra Costas May 31, 2015 at 6:21 pm #

        Thanks Chere, She is greatly missed. Yesterday we got a set of sisters, 4 months, one gray tabby and one calico. They are very sweet and very bonded. They got separated and lost in the house yesterday and we just found them both and shut them in the bathroom with water, food, a bed and a litter box. The tabby is very sweet, calm and well mannered. The calico is terrified to the point of shaking all over. I am brewing some Chamomile tea for her and hope she will drink it. I don’t think either one has gone potty in the last 24 hours. Which worries me a bit. I have a vet appt. for them tomorrow. We named the gray tabby Emily and the Calico Tasha. They are a good distraction right now, that we need. We are hoping they settle in with our 17 year old Sam who was Molly’s brother. He’s pretty laid back so I think it will work out tho’ he’s been acting a bit nervous.

  6. PMK June 29, 2015 at 6:51 am #

    HI, my 16 year old cat MaoMao’s endoscopy result just came in yesterday and as it turns out she has high grade lymphoma. Her weight dropped but she still have her appetite. Only that she vomits quite often. I do not want to put her thru Chemo and I was frantically looking for alternatives and found this page. My vet suggested me to at least put MaoMao on prednisolone ( and he advised against any herbal medications) but this drug is shown to suppress the immune system which contradict to what I read in on this blog. I want to treat MaoMao in the comfort of her own home with natural herbal remedies, to boost her immune system and give her a fighting chance. After reading the article and some comments, I am thinking to give MaoMao artemisinin and the immune restoration protocol. What I am not sure of is if I should start giving MaoMao prednisolone at the same time. Do anyone here have any experience on using all three? Please help. I don’t know if I am making sense, I am still so shocked at the result.

    • Susan June 29, 2015 at 7:26 am #

      .I am sorry about MaoMao…its a shocking diagnosis. Our vet totally missed it until it was too late and there were red flags prior. My cat Xerox was too late for chemo or surgery.
      He was on Prednisolene…and IF I had a chance to do it over…I do NOT think I’d have him take that medicine. I feel it decimated him quicker, caused rapid heartbeats and shallow breathing..and made him overly uncomfortable..the vet stated it increased his appetite and was like a “pain med”..which I seriously doubt.
      I didn’t find all of this info until too late. I did give Xerox the NHV item/drops, but don’t think they were that effective.
      I’m 99.9% positive many of the “holistic” and “natural” meds will have a great effect on your cats health and pain..for the better.
      I hope others will give you good info here..I do know that many have had excellent results with Artesminin (sp?)..but keep in mind…different cancers have different cells and respond to different treatments.
      Best of luck to you and MaoMao

    • VeggieNut-Viv June 29, 2015 at 11:17 am #

      My seventeen year old kitty, Mandi, has oral cancer that was found in October, 2013. I started treating her myself in April, 2014 as conventional medicine didn’t offer any hope. On Oct 1, 2014 she was treated for a cancer related abscess and I was told the end was near.That is the last time she’s been to a vet and I’ve still got my kitty!
      The best that I have found is IP-6/Inositol and Artemisinin. The IP-6/Inositol is given together in an approximate 4 to 1 ratio of IP6 to Inositol. Artemisinin is given seperately and it needs to be givien with some fat. I just disolve the Artemisinin in some flax oil or coconut oil and give it with a syringe. Read more about this mini protocol by looking up “a mini protocol for treating any cancer in dogs and cats”. Be sure to read the questions and comments down below as there is good info there too. I also give CoQ10, vitamins, Echinacea/goldseal blend, and I have given Shiitake, Reishi, and Maitake Tripple Mushroom Blend, standardized. When I first started treating Mandi myself, I began with the Molasses Baking Soda cancer cure and I saw good improvment during that time. I never could find the dosage rate for cats so I had to work on figuring something out by myself like I do most everything else! This stuff has a strong soda taste that’s just awful and it can cause diarrhea if too much is given, but I used it for quite a while along with the mushroom supplements and later on i added Artemisinin. Much later on, I discovered IP-6/Inositol which has very little taste and it’s generally been easy to give. In addition, it’s non toxic and has a very wide safety margin. It seems to be working although I’ve not cured my kitty, not yet anyway but I’m still trying! It’s now been a year and eight months since the cancer was found and unfortunately, it was not found early. It’s been an uphill climb all the way.
      IP-6 is one thing that I wish I had found from the very first as it is easy to do and seems to make the cancer back off. IP-6 is attracted to the high iron content in cancer cells and it acts as a chelator by binding the iron in cancer cells so that they cannot replicate their DNA. Inositol enhances the effectiveness of the IP-6.
      Artemisinin is also attracted to the high iron cancer cells and when it gains entry into the cells, it forms free radicals and destroys the cancer. Artemisinin can act as an appetitie suppressant and in some cats, like my kitty, it can cause diarrhea. However, I can still use it by only limiting it to 3 consecutive days at a time, often only once a day late a night when cancer cells are most active, and then I break for several days. Artemisinin is poorly absorbed at best and needs to be given with breaks which will help the absorption rate to go back up. Dosage is 50 mg twice a day given with fat on an “on” and “off” schedule. This stuff is bitter and the kitty won’t like it, but since it’s not given everyday, it’s not too awful. Anyway, I don’t have to hog-tie my kiity to give it.
      Prednisone has it’s disadvantages and if I were doing this again, I’d skip the what the vet’s treatment as it was little more than bandaid therapy at best for my kitty. It would only work for a short time then WHAM! the cancer came back like it was on Miracle Grow. The main thing I got out of starting off with the vet is that it gave me some time to learn how to do this myself using alternative methods. Mandi is my first cancer cat and I hope to never do this again but if I do, I will go into it knowing more than I did this time around.
      Be aware that Prednisone suppresses the immune system. Mushrooms and many other holistic supplements boosts the immune system so that the cat’s own immune system will fight the cancer. I’d do research on this before I decided which way to go. It’s good that you know to look for alternative methods of treatment as it took me a while to figure out that just maybe there were other ways besides the vet’s way. My Mandi was only treated by the vet for the first six months after the cancer was found and I wish I had known more at that time as I wouldn’t have gone that route, but this may not hold true for all cats with cancer.
      Whatever you decide, you will have ups and downs in this battle. There have been times when I thought I was looking at the end but with new battle strategy, we pulled out of the mudhole. Research, study, keep notebooks and know your enemy by studying and finding out all you can about the type of cancer your kitty has. Know how the supplements work that you choose to use as these are your weapons of war and you must be proficient in their use. Sometimes you will need to make judgement calls and you need to know as much as you can so that you can decide wisely. You also need back up protocols should the cancer develop resistance to what you’re using. Rotating protocols may help and compatible protocols that work together can be used at the same time. Always study, always learn more so you will have more knowlegde to use against cancer. Knowledge is power and only by taking action will you get results.
      Best wishes as you begin this journey!
      Viv and Mandi

  7. PMK June 29, 2015 at 1:21 pm #

    Thank you Susan and VeggieNut-Viv. MaoMao is my first cat and I am very emotionally attached to her; she is like my family. My priority is to do whatever I can for MaoMao, not for me. If she is ready to go, I will let her go. But at this point, I think she still wants to fight. She still wants to eat and still begs for treats. That was why I considered giving her what the vet suggested because I don’t want MaoMao to be in pain. Her pupil is widely dilated even in daylight and I’ve read somewhere that is an indication of them in pain. She also sometimes hid in the corner of the kitchen in meatloaf position with her head down and unresponsive. Poor thing must be holding in her pain. MaoMao had her blood-work done and endoscopy last week but I haven’t brought her back for ultrasound (the vet said it’s not necessary if she’s not going for chemotherapy) so I am not sure where the tumor is. However, I was told MaoMao’s intestine felt very thicken and there were enlarged lymph-nodes… there hasn’t been any diarrhea so I only suspect it all happens in the small intestine. At this point, do you suggest ultrasound? I am sorry for asking all these stupid questions because for the past 15 years, MaoMao hadn’t gotten sick even once.

    I have already received Doctor’s best Artemisinin today so I will start giving MaoMao 50mg of it tonight with coconut oil. I have yet to buy IP-6/Inositol but I am going to order it ASAP. The Immune Restoration Protocol, Tripsy and ES Clear are on the way. I am just worried all these are too much for MaoMao since her weight has dropped from 9 pounds to 6 pounds. She also was diagnosed with the very beginning stage of Kidney disease, and upon changing her diet as per my vet’s instruction, MaoMao lost so much weight. I have tired 10 different kinds of special renel diets but she just wouldn’t touch it. In the end, I switched to Wellness Formula Canned Cat Food and MaoMao regained her appetite but not her weight. She is skin and bones now which makes me extra worry giving her any kind of medications.

    Thank you very much for sharing Susan; and I am so sorry about Xerox. I think now I made up my mind not to give MaoMao any prednisolone. I will come back here to share my result. And thanks again Veggienut-Viv for sharing the details of your treatment for Mandi. Good luck to you and Mandi as well.

    Keeping my fingers crossed.

    • VeggieNut-Viv June 29, 2015 at 2:04 pm #

      When you ordered the IP6/Inositol did you order both IP6 and Inositol? It’s easy to think that the IP6 contains Inositol because the full name for IP6 is Inositol Hexaphosphate and this can be misleading. IP6 is made from Inositol, but it’s not the same as plain Inositol. The plain Inositol enhances the effectiveness of the IP6 when they are used together. A product that I’ve read about but not tried as of yet is Cell Forte which contains both IP6 and Inositol in the right ratio to one another so you don’t have to mix it up yourself.

      • PMK June 29, 2015 at 6:37 pm #

        I got two separate bottles from Swanson. I didn’t know about Cell Forte. I guess I will have to mix them. Thanks.

        Actually I need help, I just mixed some coconut oil with Artesminin and fed it to MaoMao with a syringe; I struggled with it and she just spitted them all out. Well, actually she went away and started drooling and then this long string of white jelly thing came right out of her mouth (I assume that was the mixture I just fed her). She is hiding now; is there a trick to fed it sucessifully?

        • Liz-cat June 29, 2015 at 7:17 pm #

          PMK, administering medicines to a cat with syringe is a very challenging thing that takes time to master, so don’t be hard on yourself or give up. It’s also tricky as you don’t want to squirt directly into the throat, as this could be quite dangerous to the cat.

          Here’s some helpful advice from a vet’s site:

          “Before you attempt to medicate your cat, get all your supplies together. Have the medication handy, along with a treat to make the experience more pleasant for your cat, and a towel for wrapping your cat if necessary.

          To give a liquid medication, place your cat on a flat surface, facing away from you with his hindquarters against your body. You should already have the medication drawn up into a dosing syringe…

          Place the tip of syringe in the BACK CORNER of your cat’s mouth, squirting the medication in the space BETWEEN the CHEEK and GUMS. Be sure to reward your cat with a favorite treat afterward.

          If your cat struggles and attempts to scratch, wrap a thick towel around your cat’s neck and front legs to protect yourself from your cat’s claws.

          If medicating your cat is difficult, you may try hiding your cat’s medication in food. Liquid medication can be mixed in with wet food or with gravy or tuna juice. Check with your veterinarian first though, to be sure that this will not affect the efficacy of the medication.”

          PS I’m not sure coconut oil is ideal, though I haven’t done Artesminin myself. Can you mix it with a little tuna juice or something more liquid and tasty?

          • PMK June 29, 2015 at 7:33 pm #

            Thanks Liz-Cat, I just tried using the technique you described and this time I got more into her mouth. The towel is very useful but I had to enlist one more person to assist. MaoMao seemed to hate it with a passion and didn’t care for the treat afterwards; she just wanted to get away from us. We held her a bit longer just to make sure she didn’t spit out the mixture and now she’s hiding.

            I think Artesminin needs to be fed with oil on an empty stomach but coconut oil might be a poor choice since the aroma is too strong. I might try with fish oil next time.

            You are right, it is a challenge and there is much to learn. I need to practice.

            Thank you again!

        • VeggieNut-Viv June 29, 2015 at 8:21 pm #

          I’ve given this two different ways. I got my Artemisinin from Swanson and it was their brand but it’s recently been discontinued. It was100mg per capsule and so it needed to be divided into two approximately 50 mg doses. To do this, I carefuly pull the capsule apart so that the powder won’t spill out. I try to divide this as evenly as I can between the two halves and I then plug the ends with some cheese. I give this by mouth and avoid the bitter taste. When I give it, I let the cheese end of the capsule point away from the cat so the end with the edges go down last so that it’s less likely to cause any irritation. After Mandi’s cancer spread to the other side of her mouth, I stopped giving it this way as liquids were easier on her.
          The way I give it with liquids is to pull open the 100mg capsule and shake out about half of it to make one 50mg dose. After shaking out what I need, I just push the capsule back together again. I use about a half a ml or so of oil to dissolve the Artemisinin powder. I draw this up in a one ml syringe and then draw up a bit more oil just to dilute the bitter taste more. I use a one ml syringe as it fits the small mouth of a cat better. When you give this, you want to get it far enough back in the cat’s mouth so that it goes down but not so far back as to choke her. After giving the Artemisinin/oil mixture, I draw up about one ml of just plain oil to wash it down with to help with the bitter taste and provide fat. Fish oil or salmon oil is also a good choice but it needs to be a fat. I use coconut oil or flax oil as I already had it on hand. From what I’ve read, Artemisinin is best given on an empty stomach. Even if it was OK to give with food, it tastes so bitter I doubt any cat would eat it very well.
          When I give IP6, I open up one 500 mg capsule and dissolve it with warm water. I then mix the Inositol in with this and administer with a syringe. The IP6 to Inositol ratio should be about 4 to 1 measured in mgs. For example, if you gave 400 mg of IP6, you would use about 100 mg of Inositol with it. For some of this, you will probably just have to estimate. I have given more than one IP6 capsule at a time.
          When mixing a powder with water to be given by mouth, be sure to use enough water so that it won’t be thick and gooey. You may have to reload the syringe more than once to give it all, but a thinner mix is easier for the cat to swallow and it dilutes the taste as well. It was hard at first giving all this stuff to my kitty, but over time, Mandi has become used to it and she is pretty easy to work with now. I’ve also got a hyperthyroid cat who is Mandi’s sixtteen year old kitten that I give stuff to as well as a twelve year old Shepherd with arthritis and an eleven year old Lab with spay incontinence. I am literally giving out stuff all day and into the night!
          I give Artemisinin by itself later on at night as cancer cells are more active at night and this theoretically should improve it’s effectiveness. Since Artemisinin is poorly absorbed at best, I figure this might help make what does get absorbed work better.

          • PMK June 30, 2015 at 6:39 am #

            Oh wow, you are taking care of so many kitties, it must be quite some work. Have you ever considered being a holistic vet?

            Thank you Viv. I tried the cheese technique this morning and MaoMao willingly took it. I was so happy because there was no struggle for both me and her. But then she chewed on it, cracked the shell and a good portion of the powder shot right out of her mouth. I think I might have to wet the capsule a bit to soften the shell before wrapping it in cheese.

            Another question regarding IP-6/Inositol, do you feed this to Mandi on the same day you feed the Artemisnin/oil mixture?

            Right now, I am feeding MaoMao 50mg of Artemisnin at night around 10pm and then another 25mg in the morning around 6:30am. That is mainly because I have to leave for work at 7am and only come home after 8pm. I don’t want to give 50mg again so early at 6:30am. I can only do it properly on the weekend. According to your suggestion, IP-6/Inositol has to be administered three times daily. I am not sure If I can do that but I will at least be able to do it twice a day on the weekday. My question is do you give this to Mandi on a daily basis even on the day you are giving the Art/Oil mixture? Do you mind sharing your schedule of when you administer those two medicines?

            My main concern is how to space out all these medications that can be most beneficial to MaoMao. Another cancer fighting protocol will be the VitalScience Immune Restoration Set; I am hesitant to get all three remedies to MaoMao on a daily basis. Although it gives me some relief to know Artemisnin is an on and off drug.

            Thanks a lot.

          • Susan June 30, 2015 at 8:51 am #

            Just read through all of the posts..just a note..I have 2 cats on Ester-C for struvite kidney crystals, they can tolerate 250mg/day..but the dose is too much and tastes funny to I dilute it down into 2 doses, instead of one..that way I know at least half of the recommended daily dose is being taken. I do use a syringe type application (a small end but NO NEEDLE) it came with some other pet meds..and has proper Ml markings.

            There is a small animal “pill shooter” that I found on amazon (the ones in my local pet stores were too big for a cats mouth) It may assist you in “shooting” a plugged capsule further back into her mouth, that way they almost HAVE to swallow the pill.
            Good luck, you will hopefully find a good method..after some trail and error..but don’t despair.

            Also..just another might want to rotate different treatments. Maybe not give all of them at the same time..I often wonder how many additional things their bodies can tolerate in one day.
            I DID have an ultra sound for Xerox, and then the cancer vet told me he was NOT a candidate for chemo, etc. b/c it was too advanced. I guess in the long run, I did it for me, so I wouldn’t question my actions later on and feel guilty for not exploring further..but that was me. And I didn’t have $$ for chemo or surgery.

            Sometimes older cats do lose weight, even the healthy ones. Their bodies change. As long as Xerox ate, I knew he was ok, Cats usually should not go 2 days or longer without eating or it can cause some type of liver issues (or so I have read) as long as he ate..something, anything I was relieved. They use a ton of energy just fighting being sick, so putting weight on may be easier once they get to a better place and feel better.

            It’s day at a time..but worth the effort!

          • VeggieNut-Viv June 30, 2015 at 9:27 am #

            I give IP6/Inositol and Artemisinin on the same day, but not at the same time as I’ve not been able to find out how close together to give them. If you look up “a mini protocol for treating any cancer in cats and dogs” you can find out more about using these and be sure to scroll down to the bottom and read the questions and comments section.
            Although I have given IP6 three times a day, this is not a standard schedule. I temporarily did this with my kiity for a few days because the cancer had spread and I was trying to adjust the dosage so that the cancer would back off some which it seemed to do. I read that the IP dosage rate depends on how severe and advanced the cancer is and this makes sense to me as it seems logical that advanced stage cancer would need more aggressive treatment and therefore, a bigger dose. I started off giving a 500 mg capsule of IP6 plus Inositol two or three times a day and I upped it from there. I always mix Inositol with the IP6 dissolved in water and give them together as they work together. I often add CoQ10 to one of the doses. If you should want to try Cell Forte when it’s time to re-order, Swanson sells it. Look it up on the internet and research it first.
            I think that your schedule for giving Artemisinin is fine. However, wrapping the capsule in cheese might make it harder to give as it makes it bigger and the taste of cheese may entice the cat want to eat it. When I give a capsule or pill to a cat, I slide it in the side of their mouth and push it far enough back so that they can’t spit it out or chew it but not so far back that they choke on it. It takes a little practice to get the knack of pilling cats.
            If you get your Artemisinin from Holley Pharmaceuticals, you can get it in the 50 mg size so that you don’t have the inconvenience of dividing the capsules. Holley Pharmaceuticals is known for having high quality Artemisinin.
            Since Artemisinin is not given daily non-stop, the breaks will help to lighten up your load some. The on and off schedule varies from person to person. I’ve read 11 days on and 3 days off or 4 days on and 3 days off, and some people give it every other day. No matter what schedule you do, at least you’ll get some time off in between rounds. I have no set schedule that I follow as I try to adapt to the cancer and to what my kitty can tolerate and since I am retired now, fortunately I have more flexibility. However, since I’ve not been able to find out how close together to give the Artemisinin and IP6/Inositol, I don’t give them back-to-back with each other.
            Back many years ago back in the early 1970’s, I did try to be a Vet but Vet Schools just weren’t accepting women no matter how qualified they were. I applied twice but had no luck so I went to Nuclear Medicine Technology School instead where both genders were equally welcome.

    • Debra Costas June 29, 2015 at 2:16 pm #

      Be encouraged, PMK, I followed Viv’s instructions and unfortunately did get the Artmisminin and the IP6 going together soon enough to shrink my 17 year old’s tumor but I firmly believe that alternative therapy works and these gals know what they are doing. My cat had the oral carcenoma and was given 2 months to live. The local herbalist gave me a formula that kept her going with excellent quality of life for 7 months after diagnosis. I was slow about getting her on the Armisinin and I believe had I acted sooner the cancer might not have taken over her tongue. After that it was impossible to keep her hydrated without IVs and I didn’t want to get into all that. I do hope that your dear Mao Mao rallies with the treatment and is with you for more years to come. I will be praying for that and God knows how much our dear furry kids mean to us. I still miss my Molly a great deal but I know that I did all I could.

      • PMK June 29, 2015 at 6:44 pm #

        Thank you Debra for the prayer and I am so sorry to hear what happened to Molly but I am sure it was an amazing 17 years you had spent with her. I just keep telling myself that I am blessed with the 16 years I have already spent with MaoMao and that we are lucky to have found each other. Thanks again for your kindness. We have to stay strong.

  8. PMK June 30, 2015 at 10:05 am #

    Thank you Susan and Viv. There are so so much information to take in. I am going to keep a journal and organize all the information tonight. I ordered two things today one is the long curve tip syringe; hopefully would make feeding the misture easier. The other item is Greenies’ “pill pockets.” I think I am going to give it a try. I will completely remove the capsule, put the powder inside the pocket and feed it to MaoMao. Hopefully she will take it.

    As I continue this journey I can’t help but wonder how do all of you manage to monitor the progress of the treatment. I think I can tell if my cat is energize or if she’s feeling better but in term of the size of the tumor, how do I know if it’s spreading or if it shrinks? Do you bring your kitties for ultrasound on a regular basis? While I would love to bring MaoMao for ultrasound every month, I just can’t afford the cost. It cost $450 for one scan and I do not have insurance for her. Viv, from your experience what are the signs I should be looking for? They are so good at hiding their pain I am afraid I will be missing some important signs.

    Thank again. You ladies are the best and I am so grateful I have found this blog.

    • VeggieNut-Viv June 30, 2015 at 10:24 am #

      Since my cat has mouth cancer, I monitor it visually by looking in her mouth but that won’t work for the cancer MaoMao has. Some signs that things are getting worse that I’ve seen in my kitty are loss of appetite, becoming less active and just looking like she doesn’t feel well, losing weight, staying in her litter box continually, throwing up, diarrhea, and in the case of mouth cancer – drooling. However, any change that is different from what your cat normally does is cause for concern. Expect ups and downs with this.

  9. PMK July 9, 2015 at 1:16 pm #

    Just want to report back on MaoMao’s response to the treatment. I am still having hard time properly feeding her the Artemisinin/oil mixture (I think I only manage to get half of the recommended dosage in her each time) and I have not received the IP6/Inositol I ordered from Swanson but I have been diligently feeding her the Immune Restoration Set, Tipsy and ES Clear twice a day. And for a good 10 days now, MaoMao has not vomited, peed or pooped outside her litter box!! So I think this is a huge improvement.

    Thank you all ladies’ for the support. I will keep working on my feeding skill and I am just so thankful to see the improvement in MaoMao.


  10. Bbizilia July 11, 2015 at 11:27 am #

    I just found your web site while looking for other options for my kitty Baxter and am going to try everything you suggest. I was shocked and dismayed this week to find that my four-year-old cat had lymphoma in his chest. The vet did an x-ray and showed me how large the mass was in his chest. he tapped his fluid filled pleural sack and took off 120 mL ! of fluid which was reddish. The histology of that fluid came back as positive for large cell lymphoma -the fastest growing…. The vet has said there is not much time for my cat so I am going to try homeopathic a since he is not offering anything other than chemo, which he says might only give 3 more months.

    It is so scary. I love my little guy so much. I have used Swanson’s for years and know it is a very good company. I’m lucky to live in Seattle were Bastyr university has a clinic that I’m going to today. Thanks so much for your advice. I need all the help I can get as I start this unwanted journey.

  11. Liz July 13, 2015 at 12:01 pm #

    I am so glad to find this website, and inspired to try what worked for Nate. My 15-yr. old cat, Chica, was just diagnosed with lymphoma in the small intestine, with slight kidney involvement. We just started Prednisone to try to get her eating. We are at last seeing her begin to eat, but it’s a nightmare trying to give her the medication. We are switching to flavored liquid tomorrow as she has become too clever at avoiding swallowing the pills. I need to decide whether it is worth making an appointment for the oncologist to start chemotherapy, but Prednisone is counterproductive to its effect, so I would have to stop that fairly quickly. I see that the chemo can make the cat very sick and suppress the immune system. The problem is that Chica has FIV, and although her white blood cells are not greatly lowered, I believe chemo may really harm her already fragile immunity. Do you think that it would be wiser to continue with the Prednisone and try the natural products? Thanks for any thoughts.


  12. Liz July 13, 2015 at 12:21 pm #

    Hi Barbara,

    I am so sorry to hear about your Baxter’s You and I are starting this journey together. My Chica has the lymphoma in her intestine, but I think I am going to forego the chemo and try the natural products – along with Prednisone which is stimulating her appetite.


    • VeggieNut-Viv July 13, 2015 at 1:21 pm #

      There are also natural appetite stimulants you can use. I’ve used Red Clover Blossom for my cancer cat, Mandi. However, like anything else, what works for one may not work for all. Mandi’s cancer, located in her mouth, was found in Oct. 2013 and I’ve been treating her myself since April, 2014. She is now seventeen years old.
      The best protocol I’ve found to fight cancer with is “a mini protocol for treating any cancer in cats and dogs.” Check it out on line for more info. It uses IP6/Inositol, Artemisinin, CoQ10 and mushrooms.
      Although I’ve not tried this product, Cell Forte contains IP6 and the Inositol together so you don’t have to mix it yourself. If I had found out about Cell Forte before I purchased the IP6 and Inositol separately, I would had tried it. The Inositol is given with the IP6 to enhance it’s effectiveness. From what I’ve been able to find out, there is a wide margin of safety with this.

      • Liz July 14, 2015 at 7:44 am #

        Hi Viv,

        Thank you so much for the recommendations. I have ordered the IP6/Inositol in addition to the products mentioned in Nate’s treatment above. (I have decided not to go the chemo route after all the anecdotal evidence I have read.) There are amazing reviews for all these products on Amazon, which is very encouraging. The biggest issue for me though will be actually getting my cat to take this stuff. We are giving up with the pills after she vomited last night’s back up again. We are starting her on chicken flavored liquid Prednisone today. That doesn’t mean it will go down any easier, but she has responded fairly well to the Prednisone as far as eating a little more, so I want to keep her on it for a while. Once I get her into a routine with the natural supplements, I hope to wean her off the Prednisone. Does anyone have any wisdom about that?

        So appreciate the support here,
        Thanks ~ Liz and Chica :)

        • VeggieNut-Viv July 14, 2015 at 9:08 am #

          I would do some intensive research on the disadvantages of using Prednisone in treating cats with cancer. Prednisone has it’s disadvantages but it may be the best option for the type of cancer you are dealing with. It would at least hopefully provide a better quality of life for the time that you have left. Also, because cancer is a very aggressive opponent that moves very fast, the sooner you take action, the better. Predisone has the advantage of being something that you can do now.
          I will also tell you from having one year and nine months of experience with this is that fighting cancer is a long hard ride. It seems that fighting cancer requires a lot of decisions that sometimes are just plain judgement calls. Since I’ve never done this before, it sometimes takes a lot of research done really fast so that I can figure out what action to take before the cancer gets even further ahead of me. This means pulling all nighters. Acting fast is one of the things that is essential to win this war. This is a rough road to travel down but you are not alone as others can share their experiences to help you as you make this journey. Best of luck!

          • Cindy July 14, 2015 at 10:16 am #

            Just wondering–and I am certainly no expert here, but is prednisolone better or worse for cats than prednisone?

          • VeggieNut-Viv July 14, 2015 at 10:47 am #

            I’ve read on the internet that prednisolone can be better but I don’t remember why. You’re best bet would be to look it up on the internet where you have quick access to a lot of info at your fingertips so you can weigh out the pros and cons. I wasn’t told about prednisolone when I started with all this so I didn’t have a choice offered to me and then I started doing this myself. My experience with cancer is limited to this one cat and I hope I absolutely NEVER have to do this again but if I do, I will go into it knowing more.
            There has been but one bright spot in my life in I don’t know how many months. My 16 year old kitty died July 7, 2015, a few hours later my 12 year old German Shepherd died, then the next day I contact a shelter and adopt a German Shepherd mix rescue puppy who was run over by a car and has awful shearing wounds on her legs. Love hurts.

            “How lucky I am to have something that makes saying goodbye so hard.”
            -Winnie the Pooh-

      • Liz July 19, 2015 at 11:00 am #

        Hi Viv,

        I have the Celle Forte – IP6/Inositol. Do you have any idea of the dosage for cats though?


        • VeggieNut-Viv July 19, 2015 at 11:19 am #

          According to the Celle-Forte product label, the approximate dosage for cats is: one half to one capsule twice a day. Best given on an empty stomach.
          Dosage is dependent upon severity of disease and size of animal being treated.

          • Liz July 19, 2015 at 5:49 pm #

            Thanks Viv…I am not sure why I couldn’t find that. (I just found doses for humans.) I have been dosing my cat up with all the natural stuff I found on here, but it is not going as well as I had hoped. Trying to mix anything in with her food is putting her off her food. She has become very finicky again, and I am wasting a lot of food. Also, it seems the only time I now spend with my cat is when I am giving her medication which I have to do several times a day via syringe. She now stays away from me as much as possible, which is really sad. I really need to find a way to bump up her appetite again. One day out of desperation, I gave her some of my wild caught Atlantic cod. She ate that…but I can’t keep up that kind of cuisine! Any ideas?

          • VeggieNut-Viv July 19, 2015 at 6:21 pm #

            I’ve never mixed anything into Mandi’s food as it’s hard enough as it is to keep cats with cancer eating. Cancer cats tend to have a poor appetite. Red Clover Blossom is an appetite enhancer but like anything else, it may not work for all cats.
            I know what it’s like when your cat sees you coming and runs as they know it medicine time again. It used to hurt me something awful, but over time Mandi became more used to the routine and was much easier to work with.
            I must have just been lucky to find the Cell Forte dosage for cats. Although it’s made for people, where I found the dosage was selling it to use for cats and dogs so they included the infomation.
            I found that fighting cancer is a full time job and very demanding emotionally as well as time wise. It’s a long hard ride, but my ride is now nearly over. Mandi took a very bad turn for the worse this week-end and it looks like it might be kidney failure or something like that. My vet is not open on week-ends so I can’t do much until tomorrow, but I hope she passes during the night. I’ve pulled us out of several mudholes when it looked to be the end, but I can’t pull us out of this one although I’ve really tried. She is seventeen and that’s a long life for a kitty especially one that wasn’t supposed to live for even one year after the cancer was found. It’s now been one year and nine months almost to the day since diagnosis and that is quite remarkable for this type of cancer.
            Good luck as you embark upon this journey.

          • Liz July 19, 2015 at 6:54 pm #

            Thanks so much, Viv. It is really kind of you to answer so quickly, and your comments are so helpful to me. You have obviously gone through a lot, and know what I am in for. I am so sorry for the painful time you are going through at the moment, but you are right – 17 is a very good age for a kitty, and you know that you have given your heart to give Mandi the best possible life. Thinking of you tonight.

          • VeggieNut-Viv July 19, 2015 at 7:19 pm #

            Anything that I’ve learned from having walked down this road for a year and nine months now, I will gladly share with you or anybody else so feel free to ask me about what I’ve done to fight this dreaded illness called cancer.
            My kitty Mandi taking a bad turn for the worse isn’t all that has happened. Her sixteen year old kitten with hyperthyroidism passed away last week and my 12 year old German Shepherd with bad arthritis and back knee ligament problems passed that night. And Mandi is now nearing the end of her journey. They all lived long, full lives with someone who cared for them and gave them a home that was safe and secure.
            There is a bright side. The day after my Shepherd passed I adopted a Shepherd mix rescue puppy! She had been hit by a car and has awful looking injuries on her legs where the skin is missing but I was told that she should be fine but it will take some time. I was sent home with a sack of three different medicines to give her. I named her Rosie. She looks like a Shepherd puppy but will be a medium size dog.
            So, on we go, one day at a time.

      • Liz July 21, 2015 at 8:19 am #

        Still struggling here with Chica. She hates me giving her the medications, and now avoids me. :( Last night she didn’t come home – so of course I didn’t sleep very well. She missed dinner (with me anyway) and her medications. She did turn up this morning, but only ate a little tuna. I should have kept her in when I saw her in the back yard yesterday afternoon, but it is not like her to not respond to my calling her in at night. Late yesterday afternoon she was enjoying laying around in the grass. She was also eating it…which made me hopeful that she is supplementing her diet with wildlife as I believe it is common to eat grass afterwards. I am thankful if she is eating ANYTHING! It is so hard to get her to eat, and I am wasting so much food because I keep trying different things and she only goes for human grade fish. (My son has begged me to clear all the cat food dishes out of the fridge!)

        Today, I am going to a butcher who is going to give me a bunch of chicken organ meats. I know she likes chicken liver sometimes. Every time I pick her up to give her her medicines, I am dismayed at how little she weighs, and she always moans, knowing what’s coming. She actually doesn’t mind the Prednisolone – because it’s chicken flavored. It’s the natural supplements she seems to hate. I have to give her several syringes of meds at least twice a day. There is one supplement that has to be given separately from the others twice a day, but I may have to drop that one as she seems to find this so stressful. As for the powders that are supposed to be mixed into her food, well that isn’t working. I have not yet found a good way to get these into her. I might start using chicken broth and mixing her meds with that in the syringes. My heart goes out to everyone who is going through this every day. Sorry to be so negative today…I am still searching for a good daily regiment that will work long term.

        • VeggieNut-Viv July 21, 2015 at 9:08 am #

          My journey in fighting mouth cancer for my kitty Mandi was one of the hardest things, if not the hardest thing, I’ve ever done in my life and I’m 65 years old. I worked my way through college selling books door-to-door putting in 80 hours or more per week. In the course of doing this job for three summers, I found myself on the wrong end of a gun more than once, I was hit by a car when I was riding my bicycle home late one night, I walked through rattlesnakes twice in the Ozarks of Arkansas and fighting cancer was worse than this!
          Unless you are giving Chica something that requires it to be put in her food, I’d try to find another way to give it to her. Mixing meds/supplements in with food may make things worse as Chica may associate what you put in her food with the food itself to the point she won’t eat that food anymore even when nothing is mixed in with it. It’s hard to keep cancer cats eating so you don’t want to rock that boat any more than you have to.
          One thing I liked about the IP6/Inositol is that it has very little taste which made it easier on both me and my kitty. The Artemisinin that I used is bitter so that wasn’t as easy to give.
          I was not able to find a daily regimen that I could use indefinitely when I did this. For a while, yes, but cancer can become resistant to what you’re using so several protocols will probably be used over time. Hitting cancer from more than one direction at a time is more effective but when using more than one protocol at a time, be sure they are compatible with one another. You change what you do as needed to hit the cancer as hard as you can. It is a constant challenge to try and stay ahead of the cancer.
          Fighting cancer a long hard road that I hope to never have to walk down again but if I do, I will be better prepared because of what I learned this time around.

          • Liz July 21, 2015 at 10:13 am #

            Thanks Viv so much for your help even in the midst of your pain. Yes, I have pretty much abandoned the idea of putting any additives into her food…although it sounds like the IP6/Inositol might be worth trying. And yes, I am tweaking the regimen daily. I am just thankful when I get some of this stuff inside of her. I am not sure how long to keep going with the Prednisolone , and at what point it would be better to stop giving it to her. She has been on it for nearly two weeks now. It is supposed to increase her appetite and help her put on weight, but I certainly haven’t seen any great evidence of that yet. Today I went out to a meat market and bought chicken and ox liver, and more tuna as I know she likes these, and I have never mixed them with meds.

  13. Liz July 14, 2015 at 11:42 am #

    Just read a study that was done on cats, the outcome of which showed that Prednisolone is superior to Prednisone for cats:

    Many other articles say the same thing.

  14. VeggieNut-Viv July 20, 2015 at 7:17 am #

    Update on Mandi, my 17 year old kitty with cancer. Mandi’s mouth cancer was found on Oct. 21, 2013 and in the very early hours of July 20, 2015, she quietly passed away here at home. It has been one year and nine months almost to the day since we began this journey called cancer.
    Lately her appetite had been good but she still remained thin as cancer cats seem to do. Then, this week-end, she took a bad turn for the worse and it looked like it was probably kidney failure. I held her and comforted her as much as I could here at home until she finally let go and was released from her worn out little body. At age 17, she lived a full life and was cared for by someone who dearly loved her.
    A few days ago on July 7, I also lost Mandi’s 16 year old kitten, Teddy, who was hyperthyroid and that night in the early hours of July 8, my 12 year old German Shepherd who had arthitis and ligament problems in her back knees, also passed.
    I’ve wept so many buckets of tears that I don’t know how I even have any more tears left to cry with.
    I will gladly share what I’ve learned from my experience in using alernative methods of treatment for cancer with anyone. My experience is limited to this one cat and I hope I never have another pet with cancer I know how overwhelming it is when you learn that your furbaby has a form of cancer that has a survival rate of less than a year after it’s found and you are filled with hopelesness. But, there are alternative methods of treatment that most conventional vets won’t even tell you about. Even if the vet doesn’t practice holistic medicine, you would think that they could at least let you know there were other options available elsewhere. I had to just strike out on my own and do the best I could by myself. Although I didn’t cure my kitty, I did manage the cancer so that she could live her life out. However, if the cancer had been found sooner and had she been younger, the odds for curing it would have been much better.

    • Liz July 20, 2015 at 9:08 am #

      Viv – so, so sorry! But thank you for sharing your journey with us. You have inspired me and helped me already in just the short time I have been in contact with you on here. You have clearly loved Mandi and Teddy with everything you had to give them, and no animal could ask for more than that. They did indeed have long rich lives and were blessed to bask in the sunshine of a wonderfully loving human. God bless you.

      • VeggieNut-Viv July 20, 2015 at 9:41 am #

        Out of great sorrow can come even greater joy. I’ve adopted! The day after my German Shepherd, Gretta, passed away, I found a puppy to adopt from a shelter. She was listed as a German Shepherd mix puppy and had been hit by a car. She had dragged herself up into someone’s yard where she stayed until she was rescued. She has injuries from being hit by the car that left long stretches on her legs where the skin was torn off. I went to visit her and it was love at first sight. They released her to me and provided the medicine she needed for her wounds.
        “Welcome Home, Rosie!!!”

        • Liz July 20, 2015 at 10:02 am #

          Awww – so glad to hear about Rosie! What a blessed little dog she is to have found you. <3

          • VeggieNut-Viv July 20, 2015 at 10:35 am #

            Thank you for your kind and heart touching comment! I didn’t want to lose Gretta, but if it was meant to be, the timing was perfect!
            It had only been just a very few days since Rosie had been picked up and they actually released her early to me as she was supposed to stay longer due to her injuries. After talking to me, they decided it was OK to release her so home she came. YAY!!!

      • Susan July 20, 2015 at 10:29 am #


        I hope you see this…(it seems this site has undergone some “reply” type changes) I am so very sorry for ALL 3 of your losses and all within 2 weeks time…goodness… All I know is…. that …if there was any one person who researched, explored, experimented with different types of treatment, you had to have been the best. No doubt..ALL of your pets benefited greatly from their treatment and care. I can honestly say, that holistic treatments are so much better and have less damage on the body and greatly improve the pets quality of life.

        May you find comfort that they are now pain-free, and that your love and devotion helped them through their illnesses and infirmities.

        If I remember correctly, you have 4 or more other pets…hug them close, as they will feel the losses also.

        Thinking of you and your fur-kids..sending hugs and prayers

        • VeggieNut-Viv July 20, 2015 at 11:01 am #

          Yep, I see your post! I’ve not noticed that anything has changed but I’m not a member of the computer generation either.
          Yes, I do have other pets, Skittles (Mandi’s 16 year old kitten and Teddy’s sister), Tess (11 year old Yellow Lab), Anka (12 year old Shepherd/Husky mix), Toby ( polydactyl kitty), Mia (18 pound kitty), and Taffy (tabby kitty) and of course the new kid on the block, Rosie. I listed the oldest first and at least these are still doing well for now.
          What bothers me a lot about veterinarians is that they won’t even tell you that there are other treatment options available. This especially bothers me with things like oral cancer in cats as regular vets can’t offer much more than band-aid therapy for this type of cancer unless it’s found very early. You would think that if your pet’s welfare was their top priority, they would send you to a holistic vet for things that they have no really effective treatment options for. If I hadn’t just struck out on my own, I would have lost Mandi many months before I did. Everything I’ve learned from helping Mandi can be applied to dogs as well as people although I hope I never have to.

          • Debra Costas July 20, 2015 at 4:12 pm #

            Viv, you have been such a huge help to so many out there who are searching for a way to help their ailing pets. You are such a blessing!

    • Debra Costas July 20, 2015 at 9:11 am #

      Oh, dear Viv, my heart breaks for you and this brings tears to me as well! I am so very sorry you lost Mandi. You certainly did your best for your little one and she thrived so long under your loving care despite the cancer. She was a blessed kitty to have you as her Mama. To have her death on top of Teddi’s has to be just so very hard! I will be praying for comfort for you. I am so very sorry but you did your very best and as you told me you gave Mandi a wonderful, loving long life!

      • VeggieNut-Viv July 20, 2015 at 10:29 am #

        Losing Mandi hurts so bad. For the last few weeks, her appetitie had improved to the best it’s been since she’s had cancer. I was getting hopeful but she still didn’t put on weight. However, I’ve read that cats with cancer will be thin even if they do eat so low weight may just go with the territory. Then, this week-end she took a bad turn for the worse and it looked like it could be kidney failure. No vet clinic was open at this time, so I took care of her the best I could at home her last day and night. I gave her Pedialyte to help keep her hydrated and just held her a lot in our favorite rocking chair in the living room. I had her funeral this morning and buried her between Gretta and Gypsy, another German Shephed that Mandi had known and loved. At age 17 years, I can’t really say she died pre-maturely, but it sure feels like it. No matter how long you have a beloved pet, it’s never long enough.

    • Debra Costas July 20, 2015 at 9:17 am #

      Viv, I didn’t see your post about your german shepard till just now. No wonder you are crying buckets of tears. At least she is now out of pain and misery. How do you do it! You take in so many who need extra love and attention. I wouldn’t survive such loss. But I rejoice with you about dear Rosie. She certainly will help ease the grief as our Tasha and Emily have helped us. God bless you!

      • VeggieNut-Viv July 20, 2015 at 10:15 am #

        Gretta’s passing was unexpected until shortly before she passed when I could tell something was wrong. I think it might have been her heart as German Shepherds can be prone to heart problems and she went rather quickly. That’s probably not a bad way to go and with a progressive degenerataive condition like she had with her hips and back knee joints, this may have been a blessing.
        Rosie has been like a healing salve to a broken heart. She is so sweet. She fits right in like she’s always been here. She’s only peed twice in the house and it was in the kitchen where it was easy to clean up. She acts at home with the cats and she hasn’t chewed up one single thing. Since Rosie is a Shepherd mix and will also be smaller than a Shepherd, I hope to avoid the hip problems that this breed is prone to having. Maybe I got lucky and I now have the perfect puppy!

    • Samantha July 20, 2015 at 4:48 pm #


      I am so sorry to hear about Mandi, and my thoughts and prayers are with you. I have followed your story since I discovered this site in September 2014 after finding out about my cat Izzy’s nasal lymphoma. Your love for Mandi (and your other fur babies) is inspiring and I am so sorry for your loss.

      Thank you for tirelessly posting (and reposting) every bit of help and advice for this group. I felt that Izzy lasted a little bit longer, and a little bit healthier, because of contributions of you and the rest of the pet parents here. Mandi was lucky to have you!

      • VeggieNut-Viv July 20, 2015 at 5:17 pm #

        Thanks for your kind words as they mean a lot to me now as I go through grieving. I not only lost Mandi, but a few days earlier, my 12 year old German Shepherd passed away during the night and the day before that, my 16 year old kitty who was Mandi’s baby also passed. I didn’t plan any of this, it just happened this way – a tripple whammy!
        The day after I lost my Shepherd, I adopted a rescue Shepherd mix puppy who had been hit by a car and has shearing wounds on her legs where the skin was torn off. She is expected to heal up ok. I named her Rosie and she has not chewed up one thing and she acts like she’s been around cats. She looks like a Shepherd puppy but only smaller and I hope by being a mix that maybe I can avoid the hip and back knee ligament problems that German Shepherds tend to have.
        I am more than happy to share all that I’ve learned and experienced as I’ve gone down this road called Cancer. If I ever have to do this again, I will start out knowing more than I did this time around.

  15. Priya July 25, 2015 at 5:22 pm #

    Hello: I am about to try the Vitality Science Cancer Restoration protocol; I am also giving prednisilone twice a day to shrink an intestinal tumor (3.4 cm). The steroid is making my poor Felix restless so I am not inclined to continue giving twice a day 5mg (maybe once a day). I am giving the Feline Comfort Plus and Longevity protocol by Vitality science and that has really helped with vomiting and diarrhea the last week that I started it. He is very thin, a skeleton; we think he is more than 14 years old as he was a stray who found us in 2003 summer. I am mixing raw rabbit Variety Instinct frozen with the holistic meds and my local vet provided Rx Vitamins for Pets, Onco Support which I am mixing in with the raw rabbit food and little warm water. I use a spoon to feed; seems to be better than syringe and helps with the thick chunks. I am giving metroniprizole (sp) for appetite; the vet said it also helps with inflammation. The vets are very pro-prednisilone; I hope it is safe long term. I may try the mini protocol for treating cancer in cats and dogs. Our vet has given him a few months. It is heartbreaking so see this beautiful robust part maine coone go from 18 pounds to now 12 pounds. I also will try the ES Clear and Trypsy. It’s a lot of work; I am mentally and emotionally exhausted and I have spent a lot of money. I don’t know what type of cancer he has since I did not go beyond the ultrasound and the cancer is in the lower area where the endoscope cannot reach and the only other option was surgery which they were reluctant to do on a 14+ years old cat. So I am hoping to keep poor Felix comfortable and try these herbal products as well as the mini protocol while continuing to give prednsiolone at least 2.5mg/ day to help with appetite. I appreciate the information that Viv and others have posted; I do work full time with two small kids and 4 other cats (who are all 10-12 years) so I am also strapped with time. I’ll try feeding in the morning, evening and before bed. I took out all poultry and fish since a holistic vet (ask ariel) thinks these cause food allergies and inflammation that cause the cancer, also vaccines? Thanks again for any help or advice; I don’t know if I am trying to give too many things all at once….

    • VeggieNut-Viv July 25, 2015 at 7:31 pm #

      Since you don’t know what kind of cancer your kitty has, maybe the mini protocol for treating any cancer in dogs and cats would be a good choice. However, the other protocols you mentioned may also work for any cancer as well. You can use more than one protocol at a time as long as they work together well, but don’t use too many at one time either. I used several protocols for my kitty, Mandi, over the one year and nine months that I battled her cancer and I rotated what I used.
      Fighting cancer is very emotionally draining because of the bond of love you share with your pet, mentally draining due to all the thinking and figuring out what you need to do to effectively treat the cancer and physically draining because of all the sleepless nights you’ll be up franctically trying to find another way to fight cancer when things go wrong, and it can be a financial drain even if you’re doing most or all of everything yourself. You get through this one day at a time.

    • Liz July 29, 2015 at 9:58 am #

      Hi Priya,

      This is indeed a difficult journey, and Viv is a wonderful help. Thanks Viv for continuing to help people on here after all you have been through. My Chica has been on Prednisolone for a couple of weeks now. She has 0.25 mls in the morning and 0.5 mls in the evening. We gave up with pilling her, and she now gets her meds in a chicken flavored compound via syringe. She has lymphoma in her intestine and slightly on the margins of her kidney. We hoped the Prednisolone would help with the appetite, but it really has made little difference. I also started her on the protocol described here, but have run into some difficulties with the two powdered products. She won’t take them. I can’t mix anything into her food as she won’t eat it. I try mixing them with liquid and feeding via syringe, but it is very difficult. This morning she was vomiting, and I have no idea why, but I know the Vitality Science powders taste awful to her and make her gag. I am now abandoning these and have ordered Life Gold, which has great reviews. I will continue with Tripsy and may continue with ES Clear. I gave her IP6/Inositol yesterday, but since she had a bad reaction this morning, I am holding off on that as I am not all that sure on dosing.

      I have also started her on very low doses of mirtazapine to try to improve her appetite. My vet did not suggest this. I found it myself, and reviews are mixed. Basically it either works well or doesn’t. High doses are dangerous and can have bad reactions. My vet agreed to prescribe it in a very low dose to see if it helps (0.1 ml per day). I gave her the first dose the morning.

      Unfortunately my vet’s only choices were chemo or euthanasia, and neither of those are acceptable to me, so we continue trying to find something that will help her. By far the biggest issue right now is getting her to eat. She is a small cat and was a little chubby at 10 lbs. She is now less than 8lbs.

      I wish you all the best on this journey. We are all in this together. Let us know how it is going.

  16. Liz August 2, 2015 at 2:50 pm #

    Chica update. After three days’ dosing of mirtazepene, Chica is actually eating!!! Life Gold finally arrived, so I have added that to her protocol. Hanging in there…

  17. Chere August 3, 2015 at 2:54 am #

    Hi everybody, I’ve started using Chinese mushrooms and Artemisinin, Ip6 and inositol.
    I ordered from iherb, Its one of the only places that would deliver my side. I don’t notice any difference so far but happily because she’s doing alright. I’m struggling to give Storm all of these products though. There’s so many and some shouldn’t be given together. I’m giving the Doctors best Ip6 and inositol premix in the morning three days a week, on the same days I give the Artemisinin and chinese mushrooms at night, then the rest of the week I give the NVH and Vitality Science products.Luckily I’m able to mix it in with wet food and only last night I may have been heavy handed because it was the first time no one really ate it.
    If anyone has any methods of how I should schedule what to give and when please let me know. Thanks.

    • Priya Lal August 9, 2015 at 3:03 pm #

      Hi everybody,

      Thanks for the feedback about Felix. I am syringe feeding him the vitality science immune protocol 3 times a day since he won’t touch it in the food. Our holistic vet recommended not to syringe feed since it causes stress but really that is the only way to get it down. So poor Felix runs when I come with the syringe.

      I am considering loumastatin (CCNU) or chlorambucil tomorrow when we get an ultrasound. We still don’t have a clear diagnosis but it is suspected to be high grade due to an actual 2 cm mass. 2 weeks ago it had not spread so we’ll see if the vitality science helped or not.

      I am also giving the NHV products twice a day.

      The holistic vet also recommended energy healing so we have someone coming on Tuesday to do that; it is supposed to improve the natural killer cells.

      Our holistic vet does not think that Artemsinin works for intestinal lymphoma?

      I am also giving the mirtazipine for appetite (a small dose) every two or so days.

      The prednisilone 2x/day.

      I don’t see any great difference; he is managing; he still looks very sick but he walks around. He is very skinny around 12.5 pounds (used to be 18 pounds).

      Vitality science does not recommend chemo but some studies show that it helps with lymphoma. What is the consensus?

      It’s very tragic and heart breaking. We are also only feeding canned and raw nature’s variety rabbit for cats (novel diet).

      Any advice would be helpful.

      Take care,

      • VeggieNut-Viv August 9, 2015 at 3:22 pm #

        When I had to syringe feed my cat with mouth cancer, I found that using one cc syringes were the least stressful and she didn’t mind it very much. A slender 1 cc syringe just fits a cat’s small mouth more comfortably which makes for a happier cat.

  18. Liz August 9, 2015 at 5:14 pm #

    Hi there,

    Unfortunately, I have a sad update regarding Chica. She seemed to be doing fairly well until yesterday and then she went downhill quickly. Yesterday, she vomited several times. This morning, she could barely move and was clearly distressed. I took her to the emergency vet and had her put to sleep. We buried her in the garden where she spent so many happy hours, and planted a hyrdrangea bush over her grave. RIP beloved Chica. Thank you for the 15 years of joy you brought us. <3


    • Chere August 9, 2015 at 11:06 pm #

      So sorry Liz. Storms brother Garfield also passed two days ago. He is my husbands brothers cat. We found out that he had squamous cell carcinoma only recently 😣. R.I.P all these wonderful kitties.

      • VeggieNut-Viv August 10, 2015 at 5:59 am #

        I am so sorry for your loss and for the grief that I know you are going thorugh now. It’s so hard to lose a pet. They become so close to you that they become a part of you and when they pass, it just leaves a big hole in your heart that only they can fill. The tears seemingly endlessly flow and I know all too well how bad it hurts. Although it
        doesn’t feel like it’ll ever get any better, with time your broken heart will heal.
        Even the pain of a broken heart has its purpose as it is by experiencing the brokenness that come from loss that we come to know compassion.

      • Liz August 10, 2015 at 3:31 pm #

        Sorry to hear that, Chere, and thanks for the kind words, Viv. It’s good to be in touch with others who understand that losing a pet is like losing a family member. So many people just don’t get that.

        • VeggieNut-Viv August 10, 2015 at 4:11 pm #

          I’m very sorry to hear that you lost Chica. It just seems that we’ve lost way too many of our pets to cancer and it seems to be getting worse. It has hurt me worse to lose a pet than it has when I’ve lost someone. I think it’s because they are close to me in a way that no human has ever been. They have such a purity of heart. I have found that although pets are not my whole world, they have helped to make my world whole.
          Love hurts, it can hurt so bad when you have to say good-bye but I cannot imagine life without pets.
          However –
          “How lucky I am to have something that makes saying good-bye so hard”
          -Winnie the Pooh

  19. Melissa September 2, 2015 at 1:43 pm #

    Thank you all for your posts and suggestions!

    My Taboo has been battling mouth cancer for a month and a half now. I have been working with many of the supplements and protocols listed in the comments, but only just found the IP-6 and Inositol recommendation. Taboo has been getting these since Saturday, and I’m waiting for an Artemisinin order. Can anyone tell me:

    Does a tumor tend to bleed as it shrinks?

    How long can it take for the IP6/Inositol to start working, if it seems like it will?

    Are there any other resources I should be using to show my holistic vet? Taboo and I have an appointment tomorrow, and I Feel like time is getting short…

    Thank you all for your love and committment!

    • VeggieNut-Viv September 2, 2015 at 5:34 pm #

      Mandi’s mouth cancer did not bleed when it began to shrink. What I saw was a big reduction in the red, inflammed ulceration and sometimes the area turned a pale, milky white. The normal pink color slowly returned until the next flare up.
      The IP6/Inositol can take a long time to see results and it’s best to use it with Artemisinin, just don’t give them together at the same time of day. The Artemisinin works faster than the IP6/Inositol. Check out “the min-protocol for treating any cancer in dogs and cats” to learn more. You cannot study too much as knowledge is power.
      One thing that I found that was important to do was to visually check the inside of my cat’s mouth on a regular basis. I did this by holding a small flashlight between my teeth so both my hands would be free to work with Mandi and open her mouth. This cancer can change very fast. If you don’t visually check up on the status of the cancer, you wil usually find out things have gotten worse when your see your cat drooling and/or turning away from their food because they can’t eat it. The sooner you find the problem, the better chance you have of resolving it. I found KRM Milk Replacer good to keep around as it is easy to lap up. Soft scrambled eggs were also easy for Mandi to eat. My other cats enjoyed them too!
      Your feelings are right, time is short. Oral squamous cell carcinoma (mouth cancer) is very aggressive.
      Best wishes to you and Taboo as you begin this journey. No matter how this plays itself out, you will learn much that will be helpful should you ever have another pet with cancer.

      • VeggieNut-Viv September 2, 2015 at 5:37 pm #

        I made a typo. I meant to say “KMR” milk replacer.

      • Kitten La-DiDi October 1, 2015 at 9:15 pm #


        Thank you so much for your story. It has given me so much hope for my baby, Ali (Like Prince Ali, not short for Alison). Ali is my sweet 6 yr old domestic shorthair, the most affectionate, social cat I’ve ever met. He’s my first pet I’ve raised from a kitten, and I’m hopelessly in love with this cat. He has made many cat lovers out of cat haters.

        A few weeks ago, I started to notice him being a little less social, which was weird. But it wasn’t until I noticed that he looked a little skinny, that I thought I better take him to the vet just in case. They confirmed that he’d lost about a pound since he’d been in a few months earlier, and ran a full blood panel/urinalysis/FLV/FIV testing just to be safe. It didn’t raise any alarms. A week later, he was still losing weight and becoming even more reclusive (so not like him), so back to the vet we went. Next step was an ultrasound, and they found that the walls of his intestines looked thickened, and some lymph nodes looked enlarged. They took a biopsy, and I prayed for IBD, even small cell lymphoma.

        Just today, after 3 weeks of watching him deteriorate before my eyes, my worst fears were confirmed – large cell lymphoma. I’m absolutely heartbroken. I never expected to deal with something like this so soon. He’s still so young. It is the worst agony I’ve experienced to date. I can’t imagine my life without him. But I also can’t bear to watch him suffer.

        I’m meeting with the oncologist in the morning, to see what our options are. I’m open to giving chemo a try because I think it’s our only chance at getting ahead of this cancer. I can tell it’s gaining more ground with each passing day. I’ve been debating whether it’s a good idea to take immuno-boosting supplements during chemo. They do seem to contradict each other in a way. But at this point, it doesn’t seem like there’s any harm in trying, so I have already ordered all the products recommended in this article/thread.

        He went downhill so fast, I know he doesn’t have much time if I don’t do something. I’ve had to syringe feed him for the last 3 days, as he had stopped eating on his own. And trying to get enough calories in him is such a battle. He was originally 16 lbs. (of pure muscle… he was a tank), and now he’s a shadow of himself at 12 lbs. Any tips for how anyone gets their cancer kitties to eat would be much appreciated! I know they all have their own taste. Just one of the many wonderful things about cats and their individual personalities! :)

        But I’d love to know what’s worked for all of you. I’m currently syringe-feeding him Hills A/D Urgent Care thinned with a bit of coconut oil for some extra calories. He seems to like it up to a point, but I’m willing to try anything! In the past, he’s been a very picky eater and has never been a fan of wet food or any human food either (except ice cream… haha). Any and all suggestions are welcome! This forum has given me great comfort in knowing there are others that know how I feel, and how much we love our precious furbabies.

  20. Heather September 24, 2015 at 7:44 pm #

    I’m so confused on what products to try for my cat Isabel. I am not sure what type of lymphoma yet- I just received a basic diagnosis. She is still eating and cleaning herself- just more lethargic. Her lymph nodes in her neck or swollen and causing her to wheeze. I have my first appointment with an oncologist in 4 days. I am feeling very heart broken. Isabel is about 10 years old. She is gorgeous and everyone things she is a much younger cat. She is normally full of energy and playful. I feed her a raw diet, because she had very bad IBD- the raw food cured her. I started that about 3 years ago. I don’t know where to start or what to do. Please help us.

    • Cindy Thornton September 24, 2015 at 8:20 pm #

      Where do you live? Who is your oncologist? Can you find an Integrative Vet in your area? An Integrative Vet can give you advice on both traditional (Western) medicine treatments as well as natural treatments.

      • Heather October 7, 2015 at 9:32 pm #

        I live in Phoenix, AZ. I am going to an integrative vet-Integrative veterinary oncology, but Dr. Hershey hasn’t suggested anything other than chemo. We have done 2 chemo treatments. Isabel went into remission after the first, but I am terrified that it will not last. Thank you for your help and suggestions.


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