Incurable to Cancer-Free in One Year: How Nate-the-Cat Survived High Grade Lymphoma

Nate - gorgeous as ever

Handsome Nate

Like so many cancer stories, this not a simple one.

It involves conventional treatments that don’t work out, but it ends with natural treatments and a happy cat!

This story is a big deal to me because I lost a cat to high-grade (large cell) intestinal lymphoma. While low-grade lymphoma is more treatable, cats are not known to survive high-grade lymphoma. Even with intense chemotherapy, the best we were told to hope for was 6 – 9 months.

So I always have my ears open for helpful cat cancer healing stories. When I heard that a woman in Illinois named Connie Fischbein had a story to share (complete with pictures of the oncology scans), I set up an interview as fast as I could.

I was stunned to learn that her cat had survived high-grade intestinal and kidney lymphoma. I could hardly wait to hear how her 7 year-old Maine Coone, Nate, pulled this off!

Note: All the resources that worked for Connie’s cat are listed at the end of this (long!) article.

How it starts

LIZ: First of all, I want to know all about Nate’s initial diagnosis.

CONNIE: It was in the small intestine…he had been vomiting and losing weight and I had been going back and forth to the vet…I was leaving for work one morning and he hid under a chair, something he would never do unless there is something really, really wrong. I ran him up to the emergency clinic… he had an ultrasound. There was a tumor in his small intestine…it was removed surgically, they tissue typed it and gave me some options for chemo…  We started him on the treatment that I thought would be least stressful for him….Lomustine [oral chemo].

LIZ: What did they do with the surgery?

CONNIE: They basically removed the tumor [it was blocking his digestion]. And resected the bowel.

LIZ:  And what happened after that?

CONNIE: Within a couple of days he was pretty much eating his regular diet…And then 10 days later I brought him in to get his stitches out and that was when they started the oral chemo.

LIZ: I don’t think I was given surgery as an option. I don’t remember that ever coming up.

CONNIE: Well this was a single tumor. I know there are some forms of lymphoma where it’s more diffuse and it’s not that easy to remove surgically.

LIZ: The word “diffuse” does sound familiar. Maybe that’s what it was. So then Nate started the Lomustine. And what was that like?

CONNIE: He would get the dose once a month and he seemed to tolerate it fairly well, but after a couple weeks he would start having really bad diarrhea, which we would treat with metronidazole…

Connie begins researching alternatives

“After his first Lomustine dose I started looking online for alternative therapies in case the chemo didn’t work…I spent hours just searching, trying to find [good] products.

I found a cancer support product called ES Clear…it’s supposed to help with side effects from chemo. At work there’s a database I can use where I can look up interactions of some natural medicines and conventional medicines…and I didn’t see anything that was going to be a significant interaction.

I talked to the oncologist and he was fine with it too… With the ES Clear, Nate really seemed to perk up and had less diarrhea and less lethargy after his chemo doses.

I saw a vet online recommending a product from a company called Vitality Science. I talked to LeLa and to Steven Becker there. The whole approach was the opposite of the approach that conventional chemotherapy is about. Conventional chemo is all about suppressing the immune system and killing everything basically. Cancer cells metabolize faster so they absorb these toxins more readily, but pretty much every organ system is affected. But the alternative approach is to boost the immune system, give the animal a chance to heal itself.

I thought, “maybe this is plan B, because I’m kind of committed right now to the chemotherapy.” The approaches seemed to contradict each other. I couldn’t get my head around doing both at same time. They said you could, but I wasn’t convinced, so I decided to make it plan B.”

The cancer comes back after surgery and oral chemo

CONNIE: Nate did well for 5 rounds of oral Lomustine. He had his last dose at the beginning of May 2012. But at the end of that month we had a routine scan and unfortunately it had come back in his kidney. It was like a small 1.5 cm tumor at that point.

LIZ: How many months was he on the Lomustine?

CONNIE: Five. He was diagnosed early January and it came back at the end of May.

LIZ:  It was the same high grade, large cell lymphoma – but this time in the kidney?

CONNIE: Right. And so we tried Elspar, which is specific for lymphoma. But the cancer was resistant. It just kept growing. So the week after that we tried [another drug] I wasn’t thrilled about. Heavy duty chemo. It was given by IV and made him sick…He wouldn’t eat from his food dish and became lethargic. His white blood cell count dropped and he was placed on prednisone and antibiotics.

Heavy duty chemo doesn’t work for Nate

“So we were just watching his white blood cell count every week. About 2 or 3 weeks later it came up enough but the tumor…didn’t shrink.

Kidney is hidden behind tumor

Kidney is hidden behind tumor

And then it started growing again so we tried one last resort called Palladia. ….But after 2 or 3 doses of that oral medication, he was vomiting and then he stopped eating.

He was kind of saying ‘I won’t do this anymore.’

Switched to 100% alternative therapies

“I talked to the oncologist and said, ‘I can’t do this anymore to him. I’ll just try to make him as comfortable as I can. And I think I’m going to try these other herbal products.’

Since he wasn’t eating, I ordered a product (Feline Granular) that you mix into his food, which he absolutely loved, and it got him eating again. He was still taking ES Clear.

I also added another product Tripsy, which is for kidney support. I figured, even though he still had normal kidney function and all his labs were normal, he might need help excreting the metabolites of these products. I started him on Tripsy and the Vitality Science Advanced Immune Restoration Protocol [for cat cancer]. So I started these about a week after this last Palladia [chemo] dose.”

Surprise!

“About three weeks later we took him into the vet for a scan and surprisingly it has shrunk over 30% and he was…almost strangely energetic. I thought there was something wrong with him. I was like, “What’s going on? He’s acting weird.” It turns out this tumor is shrinking.

Tumor (in cross hairs) has shrunk

Tumor (in cross hairs) has shrunk over 30%

I brought him back three weeks later and it had shrunk another 30%. Both the oncologist and I had been skeptical before starting these alternative therapies. The oncologist was very surprised by the results and I was kicking myself that I hadn’t tried them earlier along with chemo.

Tumor has shrunk again

Tumor 30% smaller again, kidney now visible

The second time it shrank he called me into the consulting room, closed the door and said, ‘OK, what exactly are you giving him?’

I told him about all the products…he said, ‘Well, just keep doing this. He’s moving in the right direction. We’ll see what happens.”

I brought Nate back a couple months later and the tumor was still shrinking. Not quite at the same rate, but it was still moving in the right direction and then I think his third scan was in October 2012.

Then I brought him in January this year for another scan and it was completely gone. Normal kidney.”

LIZ: Wow.

CONNIE: Yeah. He gained weight… and he had another scan at the end of February…The scan was clean everywhere. His gut and his kidney and all of that. His recent scan [May 1st] was also completely clean.

LIZ: I’m blown away that even though Nate went through some really intense chemo his body was able to get rid of the cancer when you stopped – even though chemo breeds stronger cancer cells.

Happy Nate

Happy Nate

CONNIE: He wasn’t quite 7 years old when he was diagnosed…he had that going for him… And I think I got lucky with finding Vitality Science. I think those products probably made the biggest difference…there are ingredients that specifically have anti-cancer properties. And immune boosting properties.  I think that was the big gun. Although it’s hard to say because there are no controlled studies.

LIZ: The tumor shrinkage you saw in late July – the doctor did not think it was from the earlier chemo, correct?

CONNIE: Correct, he had a scan after the chemo; it was still growing, not shrinking.  …In fact, Nate’s oncologist was very excited about what happened with these herbals, so he now recommends it to his clients who don’t respond to conventional chemo.

Important Note: Only after a number of clean scans did Connie begin to taper down the alternative therapy doses that Nate was taking. I learned the hard way that this is essential. With cancer treatment, especially after chemo has been used, the strongest tiny cancer cells are the ones that survive, so if they start growing again they can come back with an unstoppable vengeance. For this reason, I would continue periodic cancer scans and have my cat on a maintenance dose of an alternative therapy for the rest of his or her life.

The resources that worked for Connie

Connie used a number of supplements – “the kitchen sink” – as she joked, so it’s hard to be sure which ones made all the difference. But, she suspects the Advanced Immune Restoration Protocol Cat Cancer Support and Tripsy may have been most essential to Nate’s healing.

Nate’s anti-cancer supplementation

Vitality Science Advanced Immune Restoration Protocol – Cat Cancer Support – An anti-cancer combination of enzymes, probiotics, green algae, and essential nutrients for immune system; herbal anti-inflammatory and anti-parasitic; fish oil, krill oil, Astaxanthin (extracted from Haematococcus Pluvialis microalgae), and natural vitamin E.

Nate’s immune, nutrition, and kidney support supplements

Pet Wellbeing Nu-Pet Feline Granular with Antioxidant– for appetite & nutrients

NHV ES Clear – for cancer support and immune strengthening (contains ingredients of Essiac tea, a reputed anti-cancer formula)

NHV Tripsy – for kidney, renal and urinary disorders in cats

(The last two products were originally available through Pet Wellbeing, but they have sense reformulated them, so now you can get the original formula Connie used only through NHV.)

Nate’s treatment for chemo-related diarrhea

Pet Flora – When Nate stopped responding to the metronidazole for his chemo-related diarrhea, Connie tried this special soil-based probiotic, which cleared up his diarrhea in 24 hours.

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285 Responses to Incurable to Cancer-Free in One Year: How Nate-the-Cat Survived High Grade Lymphoma

  1. Mike S December 31, 2014 at 4:49 am #

    New “method” worked – it was just the way we had her in the blanket as well as getting her jaw open; a gentle push on the hinge will open the mouth. She took both the ES-Clear and Pred. fine.

    Hmm…not sure the oil trick would work for our cat with the tumeric and pepper.

    It does seem like she has “recovered” from her bad day as she seems a bit more ‘normal’. I hear you on taking it one day at a time. I’m hoping that within a week the ES-Clear will be in her system and she’ll start to notice a difference (if it takes that long to notice a difference – maybe it’s a little more imediate – ?).

    Yeah, it’s a bit scarry – I never know what I’ll come home to after work (I’m usually the first one home). It’s always been Aggie right at the door waiting for me and she still does that here and there otherwise she’s snoozing in the living room with the other two cats.

    • Susan Miller December 31, 2014 at 8:46 am #

      Good, it sounds like your creative approach worked! I think the ES takes maybe a week or so to “kick in,” at least it seemed so for Xerox. He tolerated it very well, and I never saw him vomit it back up.(he had a few “loose stools” but not anything scary and I know when toxins are flushed from the body this will happen…)

      Last week, my sister asked “Why don’t you just put Xerox down?? Because you will have to do it sooner or later.”
      I explained, “Because he isn’t having bad days…he isn’t vomiting, he doesn’t have diarrhea, he is eating and drinking water and acting “like a cat.” And, if or when he starts having “bad days” or just appears miserable, then I will make that decision. He’s not crying, he is not lashing out or being aggressive,or isolating, etc.”

      Today, I noticed “a possible set back” as I didn’t get Xerox dosed last evening with the pred or the ES. By the time I remembered, he was under the bed (normal spot) and I didn’t feel like dragging him out and dosing him. This morning, he wasn’t 1st to the wet food, and ran off to my office making several loud cat calls. He was also drooling. I got him to “his place and bowl” and he did eat some food (I think part of the issue was that “alpha” cat has bullied the others away from their food, and perhaps this distressed Xerox.)

      I am worried that the pred. may be causing issues like “low blood sugar” and whatever else is a side effect. I sure would hate for the pred to cause more issues that make him uncomfortable. I think his dose is too high (5ml twice a day for a 14# cat.) It is “supposed” to help with pain and inflammation also. I will research and see if I can lessen the dose a tad and still be effective.

      Just awhile ago, I noticed that Xerox’s ears are very “hot” to the touch, and very hot compared to the other 5 cats ears. My guess, is that he has a possible secondary infection (which I think is possible with pred as it knocks out their immune system ) He seems “out of sorts” a tad and just went into “his sick bay crate.” Since I don’t want to attempt taking his temp…haven’t done it on a cat, don’t want to try…and the vet will charge me $47 and give me an Rx. Soooo..I have some Orbax left over from another cat illness and I may start him on that soon. (Previously, when we got this lymphoma Dx, he didn’t eat, his organ functions were ok, but WBW slighlty elevated, indicating an infection from an area where the lymphoma is..or so it was “guessed by the vet.” )

      I found a website where a vet actually answered some peoples questions, it is pathwithpaws.com There is specific mention of using Artemisinin for cats/dogs. Veggie Nut used this product with success. It has to be dosed on a rotation also. It can be given with pred. So far, I have had Xerox on the ES for 3-4 weeks, so maybe a new rotation is needed.
      It seems that Artemisinin is ok with pred, but other supplements have to be stopped. It seems that the vet, has actual experience using holistic treatments on cats and dogs and has good info. that she actually shares.

      As this point, anything I can read and gather information just helps.

      What a way to ring in the New Year……

  2. Mike S December 31, 2014 at 9:34 am #

    Boy, hopefuly just an off day possibkly due to the missed doses. Sounds like maybe an infection with the “hot” ears.

    If I understand you correctly, it sounds like Xerox is getting 10ml of pred. a day?? I’m not a vet, and I don’t know the details of the Dx, but that seems exceedingly high (??). Aggie is down to about 6# and the dosage prescribed is 1ml, once a day. Unless, of course, my cat is just not being prescribed enough pred.

    I think I may have stumbled across the site you mention – sounds somewhat familiar.

    As long as there is no Sx of pain, suffering, high level difficulty beathing, etc. and the cat is acting like a ‘normal’ cat presenting more or less (due to the illness) his/her usual behaviour patterns, I agree – I wouldn’t even consider ‘putting them down’.

    • Susan Miller December 31, 2014 at 10:04 am #

      Yes, Xerox is on 10ml/day..It does seem excessive. The cancer vet is the one who prescribed this dosage. When I wouldn’t “allow” needle aspiration or a biopsy (why add more agony to a sick cat) and told them I would NOT do Chemo….they couldn’t get rid of me fast enough, b/c this is an emotional issue and you have to have a level head and hold onto your wallet.

      Your cat must have a very mild case or discovered in time and that’s why the dosage may be lower. You are lucky if that’s the case, as you will have a much greater chance at success, possible eradicating the tumors.

      Xerox has had this for at least 16 months. He had an episode in July of 2013 that was like pancreatitis. I was selling the house and moving and the vet in my old town never brought up doing xrays or possible lymphoma. Had I known or had any clues, I would have started him on anything/something sooner.

      Perhaps the diagnosing vet (who did an ultra sound) knew it was an advanced case b/c he told me Xerox had 2 weeks to 2 months left. No doubt he prescribed the maximum dose of prednisolone. I have researched it and the dosage recommendation is 1-2ml/2.2 pounds..so minimum would be 7ml, the maximum 14ml So, his dosage is right in the middle…possibly the missed dose messed him up, felt pain??

      Starting him on Orbax anti-biotic today…..another day, another worry

  3. Mike S December 31, 2014 at 9:53 am #

    Thinking about that some more – I take it you maybe meant .5ml 2x day, i.e. 1ml total per day. If that’s the case, I think that’s the “normal” dosage; I’m not convinced that many vets make any adjustments for weight depending on the medication.

    • Susan Miller December 31, 2014 at 10:10 am #

      I just looked at the RX bottle b/c I was worried…the dose is 5ml, not .5….

  4. Mike S January 2, 2015 at 4:47 am #

    Wow – I’m, no vet and obviously don’t know the supporting conditions, but 10ml a day of pred seems like an awful lot of medication. Aggie is around 6 pounds and her dosage is 1ml. a day.

    Aggie has been doing good and taking both meds (pred and ES Clear) okay sice I changed the way it’s administered.

    She’ll have been on full doses of ES-Clear for five days as of this coming Monday (for her weight, 6 drops, 2x day – the six drops equates to about .25 ml., so she gets about 1/2ml. a day). I’m kind of curious to see if there are any noticable changes.

    It seems like there are already some positive ones – she seems more herself and is going to and on places she would not have a week ago (jumping on the bed at night, generally more “sociable”, purring a lot more, going up and down stairs more). It also seems like her breathing is not as labored as it was say a week ago, so I guess we’ll see what happens. I have not weighed her lately; I don’t think she has gained any weight – hard to tell as the pred makes her look somewhat normal (she was always pretty skinny compared to our other two).

    I know the ES-Clear is not a cure, but it sure would be nice to slow the process down considerably and give her more quality time with us. Honestly, when she first came home after her ultrasound and Dx earlier in December, we really did not think she would make it to Christmas. Seems to be holding her own.

  5. Mike S January 2, 2015 at 4:55 am #

    Responded above (below?) before I read this post.

    I really don’t know – I don’t suspect a mild case as she does have tumors on/in her kidney, central abdomen area and liver. Vet did not really give her a timeframe. Given the dosage you mention (1-2ml per 2.2lbs) – seems like she should be on a higher dosage (maybe around 3ml a day). I’m picking up a refil today (at a pharmacy, not the vet’s) so maybe I’ll ask them and confer with her vet. I hate to think I’d have to increase the dosage, but if she’s not getting enough (?).

    Hope Xerox has responded well to the antibiotic.

    • Susan Miller January 2, 2015 at 5:17 am #

      So glad Aggie seems better. I hope you caught it soon enough to have some good results.
      I wouldn’t worry about her weight as much as making sure she’s eating and drinking and using the litter box properly. She might not be eating enough to put weight on, and if she doesn’t feel 100% shes probably not eating 100%. A cat that doesn’t eat or drink for 2 days goes into some type of liver failure. So some food and water is good. When shes feeling better, she’ll “bulk” back up. If you caught this earlier enough, it may give you another year or so with her.

      Yesterday Xerox was sprawled out on my desk while I was on the computer…normal nuisance. I had a leather string and he was chasing and grabbing it..normal..then all of a sudden his back left leg shot out uncontrollably and hit the keyboard..his back toes on his left leg were splayed all out..I put him on the ground and he couldn’t walk. So I held him for about 10 minutes. Then set him on the ground, and he was fine..went over and ate a lot of food and drank water.

      I researched seizures and strokes..and he had none of the symptoms. Not unconscious, did not have any “accidents,” pupils were not off in size (one larger/smaller than the other)..I kept him in a spare room for about 4 hours and checked on him. After 4 hours he ran out the door..to be with the other cats.

      It was almost like he had a muscle spasm in the back left leg. I am sure its from the pred. That’s why I HATE meds…the “cure” almost often causes additional health issues. So the pred makes him feel better, but now I have to worry about anemia, low blood sugar, secondary illnesses. I work at home, so I can monitor him all day, if he ever had “one of these episodes” before, I have NEVER seen it, but again, he recovered so quickly, he could have these while I was out running errands, and I’d never know.

      So, now I wonder if may the cancer has spread, and maybe its in his nervous system. I am pretty sure having too many episodes of whatever it was, is not a good sign. I am going to take him to the vet, for an “opinion.”

      • Chere January 2, 2015 at 9:35 am #

        Hi all, Susan, I was thinking, that sounds just like a leg spasm, if it doesn’t happen again maybe it wasn’t related to the meds. Although that stuff is awful.

        Storm passed her 1 year mark in September (I’m so happy) we stopped the chemo after she was in remission because she’s suffered such terror whenever she gave her a pill or took her to the vet. Also mostly because the scans showed no sign of the tumor. Now we are due to take her for a scan and although it traumatizes her I know we have to, she started throwing up again. She’s gets es clear, only three or four drops, a sprinkle of superfood, and petflora in a sachet of wet food that gets shared with my other two kids (60%-40% ratio, 60 her 40 the other two) twice a day. Some days I alternate with celloquent, and milk thistle and the anti inflammatory separately.
        I hope these products do as they say, I do believe they shrank her tumor, I just hope its enough to keep cancer at bay when she’s not doing the chemo or the pred.

        • Susan Miller January 2, 2015 at 12:38 pm #

          Chere, sounds like you have a good protocol in place for your fur kids. Did the chemo help at all to shrink the tumors? And if so, how fast did they re-appear?

          Xerox never got the chemo, and I wouldn’t let them do a needle aspiration. The ultra-sound showed thickening of the stomach wall, along with swollen lymph glands ( I guess cats have a lot of lymph glands in the stomach area)and into the intestines. I just figured it was too late for a lot of more “in-depth” diagnoses that would still be the same estimated life span of 2 weeks to 2 months. (his organ functions was near normal though)

          This is the end of week 6 and really, up until yesterday, I had “hope” that may we had stopped or even that some tumors had begun to shrink. It may be just too late.

          I did a lot of research several years ago about pet lymphoma for friend whose dog was dx, and only lived 2 weeks. It was devastating for them, no doubt. The interesting thing, is in cats they attempt to say a large percentage is caused by the Feline Aids or Feline Leukemia virus, however all of my cats were tested for these before I ever brought them into the house. All are negative and Xerox was negative. For the rest of the cats, about 30% will get lymphoma.

          The single most interesting thing I had read, was that poisons in the environment were suspected to cause MOST lymphomas in cats and dogs. I don’t put poisons down in the yard for fleas, nor in the house. BUY, I DID use the flea meds on the back of the neck! So these poisons get into the blood stream and wreak havoc on their little bodies. I tried “some natural” products with little or no success.

          But, of course, you’ll not see any articles on the reasons for lymphomas in pets, it would just kill the drug companies business.

          • Chere January 2, 2015 at 10:59 pm #

            Hi Susan,
            Its hard to say what shrank it, I got the herbal products a little while after we started the COP protocol. We the stomach wall also showed thickening and the tumor, the vet wasn’t optimistic. A year down the line the vet said he can see no sign to the tumor! I would’ve carried on but her quality of life was my concern. So long since her last visit if I lock her in, she looses her mind and hides and stresses. So with the exception of us not going for a scan since September last year, there has been no other tumor after the big one she had. We did a biopsy in the beginning to find out about her lymphoma. Funny enough she was really skinny but eating fine, until the op for the biopsy, that’s when she stopped eating. So I got her eating a pebble at a time of hills ID or whatever else she would eat and thats when I found her love for friskies treats. My only concern is that those are not grain free and I worry about feeding the cancer cells. I’ve been buying more and more grain free treats, fancy feast, there’s a new one, wenuva or something, can’t recall, but its expensive and my skinny little princess will ask for treat up to three times in a day if I’m at home. She’s worth far more than I can spend so I’m not complaining, she just likes her junk food too.

  6. Jill January 2, 2015 at 9:52 am #

    My 14 yr old cat was just dx with fibrorsarcoma and vet said there was nothing he could do. I found your blog (TY!) and have ordered the Vitality Science Advanced Immune Restoration Protocol – Cat Cancer Support and ES Clear. I also read that cats should eat high protein diets as the cancer cells feed on carbs so was wondering what food Nate (or other cats w/ cancer) eat. I have him on Science Diet W/D due to intestional issues but would love to get him off of it due to all the junk in SD food. I live in a small town with no access to raw cat food. I’ve tried freeze dried raw and none of my cats would touch it. Any suggestions are welcome.

    • Susan Miller January 2, 2015 at 11:57 am #

      Hi Jill, i keep Wellness Core Indoor dry food (fish blend) out for all cats, but Xerox has been getting canned tuna and canned Fancy Feast. Of course the others want it also. I read where light meats were better for cats with cancer as the dark red meats have more iron and thus attracts or feeds cancer cells, who knows?

      • Jill January 3, 2015 at 4:47 pm #

        Susan,
        Thanks for your suggestion. I’ve been researching holistic, natural foods w/o much success and read that Fancy Feast actually wasn’t too bad. Tahiti loves commercial food since I’ve had him on SC WD(for chronic diarrhea) , which he only tolerates. Thanks again – just started him on the Celloquent and Pet Flora today which he’s tolerated so far. Can’t wait to get him started on the other ones in the Protocol.
        I’ve been reading your posts about Xerox and I wish you the best. I’ve had to put one (my first “baby”) to sleep and making the decision was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done – took me 4 weeks! You’re in my thoughts.

        • Susan Miller January 4, 2015 at 7:11 am #

          Jill,

          Cat food & diet…yes…odd isn’t that Fancy Feast and Friskies or 9 Lives canned are not that bad?!? Mine get a “dollop” of wet every morn, and then the Wellness (or Blue or Taste of the Wild, or Wysong…etc…) as a “free feed.”

          About 3 years ago, I grew concerned about the “rotundness” of the indoor cats, and read all I could about overweight, elderly cats and diabetes, etc. I then switched over to better/higher quality, grain free dry foods. Its very expensive with 5 cats, but I felt that improving the quality of their dry food, would offset illness down the road. I was very worried about diabetes, its just awful for cats. The thyroid issues with older cats is a lot “easier” to manage.

          Thanks for the support regarding Xerox. I have had other elderly, sick fur kids that I had to put down. I was totally caught off guard with Xerox.

  7. MIke S January 2, 2015 at 10:03 am #

    To look at her, you can tell there’s probably “somehting wrong”, but hard to put your finger on it exactly (if you didn’t know what it was). She’s defintely not the same as she was three months ago but not horribly changed either.

    Not sure we really caught it early – given what we now know and what we thought was the reason for the weight loss, I’m guessing she started displaying symptoms (mainly weight loss) probably the beginning to mid 2014. I can clearly remember my wife asking me on a few occasions if I thought Aggie had lost weight – she did, but it was attributed to other factors. The fact that it has metathesized from kidneys to other areas leads me to think we caught it late (?). To have her still around and feeling okay for another year would be great, but not holding my breath.

    She is eating, drinking and presumably using the litter box. She has gone to “switch eating” between the dry food and wet food so it’s hard to know exactly how much she has eaten. Fortunately she is the only one of the three that likes wet food so at least I can get an idea of what she’s eating (or not). When I see most of the wet food still there, it’s hard to know if it’s because she’s not eating as much or if she’s also had the dry food. I suspect it’s more the dry food as I’m filling the bowls as much as I was before we switched her to the wet stuff.

    If all goes well with the ES-Clear, I may try the three part “Advanced Imune Restoration” – my concern is having to give her additional “doses” of stuff that she already doesn’t like doing that much, i.e. I don’t want to cause her addtional stress.

    Possible just a random spasm as you say. Aggie has always had a very “twitchy” back along her spine – we had asked the vet about it one time and I guess some animals just have that; it wasn’t a concern. It seems now (not sure if it’s the weight loss or illness) that she is more “twitchy” at times. Maybe it’s just more noticeable due to the weight loss (?).

    We did have a cat that passed from what I now know was most likley the same thing Aggie has but at the time we had no clue – she did indeed have seizures towards the end, but these were actual seizures accompanied by meowing – i.e. you could tell she was in pain and the seizures lasted several minutes. She didn’t really recover from them after she had them and it really took a lot out of her. This lasted about a day and we had to finally make the decision not to allow her to suffer any longer. I say this only because it doesn’t sound at all like what you describe Xerox displayed – his sounds more like just a a random spasm of some sort.

    Good luck with the vet; hope s/he can confirm it’s nothing to worry about!

    • Susan Miller January 2, 2015 at 12:12 pm #

      Thanks for the input. The vet called this morning at 8:45 and cancelled b/c he has the flu. this has been my biggest fear since he was Dx Nov. 21, that with the holidays and weekends (vet is closed sat and sun) that when I needed a vet or “it was time,” that he would be closed or unavailable. Now, I have to wait until Monday morning, or make a trip the the vet ER for some astronomical amount.

      Xerox has been “off” all day. Upset tummy (gave him nausea meds) eating wheat grass, and throwing it back up. He’s out in the garage “chilling” now, which is away from the other cats. I’ve got food, water and a litter box out there, when he wants back in, he’ll meow. Or not.

      No more spasms, if that’s what it was. He doesn’t have crazy eyes or have them rolled back..sheesh. I am afraid to give him ES or even the pred, if he yaks it back up. But, I have given him smaller doses of the pred, more often, instead of a big pill 2x/day.

      I guess, if I can just keep him comfortable until Monday, hopefully by then, I can get a better handle on the situation. If I can just keep him eating and drinking water, and using the litter box, I’d feel better and know he would too. But I am sure this is no fun for him.

      I had hoped that all of this, “would buy me time” to wrap my head and hands around this, but the truth of the matter is, I am sad to lose him. And when I think about it, I have a panic attack…not good at all!

  8. Mike S January 2, 2015 at 11:46 am #

    Spoke to the pharmacist – now have a better understanding. It’s not so much the amount (as far as a liquid suspension goes), but rather the concentration. The one I just picked up is a 10mg concentration per (I believe) 1ml of liquid – a more or less standard dosage. It can be concentrated in 5, 10, 15, and I think 20 miligrams. He has heard of a 10ml dosage – also depends on condition of animal, what’s being treated, etc. so I guess Aggie is not being underdosed at all….. I was begining to wonder.

    • Susan Miller January 2, 2015 at 12:19 pm #

      Oh, interesting. Maybe Xerox’s dosage at 5ml twice a day is ok. And maybe I should not tamper with the amount by cutting it in half and giving 4 times a day. At this point, I’m not sure if he’d keep it down, but I have a new bottle, so a few ruined ones won’t matter…at this point.

      I just want him to feel better. I’ve done so much research that I am worn out. And getting up all through the night to see if he’s moved from his bed,or eaten hasn’t helped, at all…..

      Thanks for the info regarding dosage.

  9. Mike S January 2, 2015 at 1:31 pm #

    The concentration amount should be on the bottle. On the one I just picked up it’s listed as “10mg/ml” – i.e. the concentration is 10mg per 1 ml.

  10. Mike S January 6, 2015 at 5:15 am #

    So, Aggie has officially been on the ES-Clear for five days (as of Sunday) (6 drops 2x day) – she is also still on the prednisolone (1ml 1x day). Some general observations –

    She is doing things (behaviourally) that she would not have done two or three weeks ago – seems to have a bit more pep, but not always. I would say she is more “herself” than a few weeks ago.

    Her breathing to me does not seem as constantly laboured as it was, but maybe that’s just because we’re getting used to it (?).

    Her eating seems to have “leveled off” as it were – i.e. she seems to be eating as she always did, no more, no less (at least that I’ve noticed). Not sure if that’s a good thing or not. Typically the pred. will increase the apetite and she was eating quite a bit when we first started her on it. Now it’s not as much but is more or less back to “normal”. Not sure if that might be an indication that the ES-Clear is kicking in and helping or if the pred. is no longer being as effective as it first was. I think that’s the concern right now – is her reduced eating (or perhaps better stated – her returning to more or less normal eating) a good indication or not.

    She is still drinking and using the litter box.

    I am contemplating getting the VS Advanced Immune Restoration – Cancer Support and beginning that protocol.

    There’s one of the items that’s a powder that I suspect I’d need to give oraly in a water suspension as I’m not sure she’d eat all the food it would be otherwise sprinkled on all at once.

    I know there are a few “reviews” of it on the internet page where you can purchase it, but has anyone here used it?? Is it easy to administer?? What is the typocal dosage – I’ve seen where you start slow and work your way up to the suggested dosage, but it doesn’t say what that is – kind of curious to get an idea of how long the “small” supply order would last.

    @Susan Miller – hope you were able to get Xeropx to the vet yesterday and hoping he made out as best as possible.

    Thanks

  11. Mike S January 8, 2015 at 6:41 am #

    So, I ordered the VS Advanced Immune Restoration – Cancer Support today – most likely will have it in at some point next week.

    I did find the recommended dosages of all three products, but am wondering if the Celloquent and Vital Lipids can be combined together and administed in one dose in a syringe??

    The Vital Lipids are given just once a day, so can the Celloquent be mixed together with the ES-Clear and administered together??

    I’m just trying to reduce the amount of times I have to administer the meds to our cat. She’ll tolerate a few times a day, but is not too keen on it. She won’t eat food if it’s “tampered with” and with multiple cats, I don’t want any of the others eating it (not that it’s bad for them, I just want to make sure the one that needs it, gets it).

    I understand the Herbal Anti-Inflamitory would need to be done separately as it’s a tincture.

    Any info would be appreciated.

    Thanks!

  12. Susan Miller January 9, 2015 at 9:57 am #

    Yesterday, I bid farewell to my buddy, Xerox. He was at the point of not eating or even interested in food. He was laboring to breathe from the pred. He did a 180 from even 1 week ago.

    Not to be a “Debby Downer” but I learned a few things:

    1) His tumor had almost doubled in size (vet felt it yesterday “afterwards” and was so surprised that it grew that much in 6+ weeks…)

    2) His illness affected the other cats. I was so focused on Xerox, the other cats still received their cuddles, but the anguish and stress was picked up on by the others.

    3) I took pictures of him each week. In the pictures I was able to “grasp” the decline, and this made the “decision” so easy.

    I had HOPED that the herbal/holistic route would be successful.
    Each pet responds differently and I do know that there are many success stories.

    It is important that we each do our own personal research and make decisions that we are comfortable with.

    Today was the first time in 7 weeks that I woke up calm and refreshed. In fact, the whole house and other pets are calm and relaxed. So, what was a hard decision, was in fact relief.

    • VeggieNut-Viv January 9, 2015 at 10:17 am #

      I am so sorry to hear about your loss of Xerox. When we lose a beloved pet, it just leaves a big hole in our hearts that nothing else can fill. We can take comfort in hoping that someday we will be re-united with our pets, never to part again. You did a very good job in caring for Xerox and that is all that any of us can do. I know what you mean about the stress. My cancer cat, Mandi, has gone over a year now since the cancer was found in the back of her mouth and it’s a constant battle to try and stay ahead of it. Fighting cancer is a long, hard ride.

    • Chere January 9, 2015 at 11:46 am #

      Hi Susan, my heart goes out to you, I’m so terribly sorry, I’m sure Xerox knows how much you loved him and tried for him. We are all trying to achieve the same thing and I feel a loss myself when one of us suffers a loses a battle. I had a beautiful cat named Cici, who had all of a sudden been taken down by renal failure. We noticed late, we couldn’t find any cause, the vet said these things are sometimes in their genes and unavoidable. That didn’t make our choice any easier though. Its a terrible choice to make.

  13. Mike S January 9, 2015 at 1:19 pm #

    So terribly sorry to hear about Xerox – I feared as much since I didn’t see anything posted the last few days and I know you had mentioned he seemed to have taken a turn for the worse.

    There are really no words that can offer comfort other than knowing he has crossed over and is now at comlete peace.

    From what you have posted, it seems you did eveything possible and that he fought a good battle.

    I would like to think that perhaps his legacy will live on here as everything you tried, including questions asked (and answered) about what and how you treated him, is posted here and will help many others in their endeavors to fight the same aweful battle. I know it has helped me incredibly to make decisions that were not easy; to try methods and treatments not in line with the “status quo”. I believe that, that information will be invaluable to many people who, like me, stumbled on this site in search of both answers and hope.

  14. Susan Miller January 11, 2015 at 9:33 am #

    THANK YOU to all of the kind words regarding Xerox. He was not the oldest, I have 3 older cats, but, in “my mind” he was 4th in line to get “sick” or “old.” What a curve ball that was thrown my way…..

    I wish the previous vet had been astute enough when he had ” an episode” (almost like pancreatitis, but not…..like a “mystery virus” ) in 2013 to think to “look further.” Perhaps, his care, etc., would have been attended to better.

    This what I gained from this experience:

    1) I found this “scale” to help “evaluate” his condition. You would think that the veterinarians would have given this out, but no. It’s called the HHHHMMM Quality of Life Scale.

    http://www.pawspice.com/downloads/QualityofLifeScale.pdf

    2) His “quality of life” was greatly reduced by the pred. (So, I have decided to NOT put another pet thru the whole process, ever. )

    3) I live alone and have no close friends or family, so I shouldered all of this…alone. It was a LONG 7 weeks. (I am pretty sure the stress has taken a toll on my health also, I have Fibromylagia, and stress is very bad and exacerbates the body pain…)

    4) I spent EVERY waking moment, it seems, “checking on him.” I was only sleeping 3-4 hours at a time, and totally got messed up on my “schedule.” (In fairness to the other pets, they got less than normal attention.)

    5) I found several websites for comfort in reaching “the decision.” I can’t remember which one it was, but I felt very “relieved” after reading so many “positive” stories.

    6) I went to the vet’s office and “pre-paid” for the whole ordeal and made the necessary decisions. ( It sure took pressure off of me the next day.)

    7) I work from home/have my own business. I took care of work and wrapped up “loose ends” so I could take time off to “grieve.”

    8) I went “grocery shopping” and got ready to “lay low” for awhile and NOT have to “worry” about small items. (I have stayed busy doing mindless things like washing clothes and cleaning the house.)

    7) Grieving..its hard to “grieve” with other pets around. They will pick up on it. ( so I had to wait until I was alone, in the car and running errands. I did a whole lot of “grieving’ while he was still alive. The last few days have really been a tad easier.)

    8) The other pets were perceptive and picked up on his ill health, and respected him and didn’t pick on him. HOWEVER, it is apparent that they feel his loss also, and have gone into a slight “funk.” One cat hasn’t left Xeroxs “bed” for more than 30 minutes at a time.

    10) I have notified all of his other veterinarians (like the cancer specialist). This way, they can pull his records and NOT accidentally NOTIFY me regarding his vaccinations, etc. (many vet now send out post-card reminders about routine vaccinations, etc. I sure don’t want any of THOSE arriving to the mail box….)

    11) I made a list of characteristics/traits inherent only to Xerox. It has helped me to remember him the way he was, when he was healthy and felt better. (it also helped me realize how badly he had declined.)

    12) I took pictures weekly. ( I am always taking pics of the animals with my iPad b/c its so easy…it was very amazing to see the “changes” to his behavior over the 7 weeks. Even the way he was crouching instead of laying sideways/ relaxed, made me see the ” pain” he was experiencing.)

    His last 24 hours in this life, were miserable. To see the pain released from his body and to see him “relax,” was very comforting.

    It is our job to relieve our beloved pets from this agony, and it is not very easy.

    Thanks again to all for advice during his illness, for the information on holistic products and all of the support.

    Bless you all,
    Susan

    • VeggieNut-Viv January 11, 2015 at 10:27 am #

      Thanks so much, Susan, for sharing your experience with Xerox. I know what you mean about the stress of being alone and having to deal with something like this. I’m by myself too and I’ve spent many days and sleepless nights searching the internet to find new battle strategies to fight cancer with for my kitty, Mandi. So far, I’ve been able to pull us out of whatever the latest mudhole happens to be and get us going again. Because of you and your thoughtful kindness, I now know about the negative effects of Prednisone. My vet NEVER told me about this when it was given to Mandi. All I was told is that cats tolerated Prednisone well, much better than dogs or humans but no negatives were mentioned. It sounded safe. I thought I was doing what was best for my kitty. I thought I could trust the vet, after all, isn’t that what they to to vet school for? Thankfully, I think Mandi only received three doses of Prednisone before I started taking care of her by myself. I hope this didn’t do too much damage. I have already decided that if I have another cat with cancer, I’m going to treat them myself using holistic/natural methods from the very start and I’m beginning to feel that I’d do the same if it were me. I am convinced that if I had chosen to depend on what veterinary medicine has to offer, I would have lost Mandi months ago. We passed the one year mark in October, 2014. Thankfully, I’m retired (with limited income) so I am at home and I’ve also got other older cats and dogs with serious health problems that I am either entirely or mostly treating myself. I just don’t trust conventional medicine anymore.

      • Susan Miller January 12, 2015 at 8:52 am #

        Viv, Thanks again…

        You were very lucky that an astute veterinarian diagnosed Mandi properly and early. And, judging by what I saw regarding the prednisolone, you were wise to not go that route (not only does it affect breathing, but will stress their kidneys…but, boosts their appetite..truly a “double edged sword”..)

        You are very lucky that Mandi has responded and is doing well, I’d say that, passing a “1 year mark” is spectacular! Keep up the good work and keep us posted.

        By the time Xerox was diagnosed, it was too late. The “pred” was basically “palliative” care. I asked about other pain meds, and I asked about not giving him the pred., but the vet said it was a pain med as well as possibly shrinking the tumors. Who knows? All I did was pray that Xerox be “pain free.” And other than 2-3 times that he did cry out near the end, for the most part he was very calm. (btw…chemo would have only given him, maybe 2-4 months extra..I not sure the extended battle with disease and/or pain was worth it..)

        Now that I have had a few days to digest this, and just now, its doesn’t feel like a knife to the heart…I am now “angry” about the previous vet and his “lame excuses.” When I “rescued” Xerox in 2005, I took him directly to my “long time” vet of 22+ years. Before, I bring a “new” pet into the house, I have them tested for all diseases, and have proper vaccinations done (however, I do NOT do their vaccinations annually as I am concerned about the safety of these.) ALL of my cats are INDOOR cats. ALL have TESTED NEGATIVE, etc. (or did Xerox test positive and the vet not tell me, maybe fearing I’d never pick him up at their office…that happens often, vets get stuck with sick/dying pets….or they get stuck with unpaid bills..)

        Yet, Xerox always had a “raspy” cough..it never got to the point of pneumonia or serious, b/c I would get him onto an anti-biotic or have him get a Convenia shot. The vet always passed it off as “Feline Respiratory Virus.” or “allergies” or “asthma.” (I add Lysine to their wet food for 2 weeks at a time, then off, etc.)

        And last night, I read, that often, the EARLY SIGNS of FELINE LYMPHOMA can be a cough/difficulty breathing.

        Someone dumped Xerox at a Home Depot where I worked…so, I never knew his exact age…but sort of guessed it at 13 +/-. I know he had a good 9.5+ years here, and he had 4 other cat buddies. I so WISH, that I had known SOONER or that the vet had SUGGESTED tests, etc. It is a lot easier to “catch” things when they are younger and before any “disease” can progress. Was the vet clueless? I guess so… Did he EVER suggest further TESTS? NO!!

        Poor Xerox, must have never felt 100%, and that upsets me greatly. He was always very cool and calm, not a bratty or hissy cat but, full of mirth and mischief. (Black & white tuxedo cat with light green eyes…)

        New town, new vet, younger and maybe more in-tune with early, on-set diseases in cats/dogs.

        However, even he lets the almighty dollar rule over compassion. He KNEW Xerox was DYING. He KNEW that I was going to HAVE to PUT HIM DOWN. And yet, when I took Xerox in last Monday for a “check-up”..he charged me $45 for maybe 10 minutes …. I don’t get it, I know they “have a business to run,” I just think it says a whole lot about a persons “compassion” when the dollar prevails. This is a small town of 38,000, unlike like my old city of Dallas, TX. I understand costs to run a business probably don’t vary when cities are just 60 miles apart. To charge me for a wellness visit, for a dying cat…seems sort of heartless.

        This will be an interesting year..father in ill health and surprised he is still alive…3 cats that 15+ years and a 13 year old dog…..

        Thanks for all of your support!

        • VeggieNut-Viv January 12, 2015 at 10:22 am #

          Oh, Susan, how I wish that Mandi had been diagnosed early, but she wasn’t. Her cancer was advanced by the time it was found. Unfortunately, most oral cancers are found late in the game. Due to its location, especially way in the back of the mouth like was the case with Mandi, mouth cancer just isn’t often discovered soon enough for treatment to be efffective. Her cancer was found when I noticed her drooling and then took her to the vet expecting to find a dental problem that could be fixed. I was saddened to get the bad news that not a lot could be done. Cats with oral squamous cell carcinoma have very little chance of making it even one year after its found no matter what course of treatment is used as this type of cancer is very aggressive. And sorry to say, she’s not doing well right now either. It has spread to the other side of her mouth and was so massive when I found it that she couldn’t eat. I had to feed her liquids with a syringe. After four days of Artemisinin, she could eat on her own again, but with difficulty. With continued use of Artemisinin, the cancer continued to shrink and her appetite improved. Unfortunately, she has not as of yet come back up to the level she was previously at and I may not have her much longer. At age 16, I wouldn’t expect to have her a lot longer even without the cancer. What was surprising to me is that Mandi had very recently been to the vet to have an abscess drained on the cancer side of her head. The vet, of course, inspected the inside of her mouth and nothing was said to me about the cancer spreading so I am supposing that it wasn’t there at this time or else it was too small to be readily seen. This has been a learning experience for me. If I have to go through this again with another cat, I plan on using alternative methods of treatment from the start unless the cancer is found very early while it is still small enough for conventional medicine to have something worth considering that’s affordable. When I go to the vet, I sometimes feel that all my pet is to them is a way to make more money before it dies and neither me nor my pet mean any more to them than a sack of potatoes going down a converyer belt. I remember when there used to be work ethics and people took pride in the jobs they did. I was so glad to find a place like this where concerned pet owners are not afraid to get off the beaten path to help their furry family members. We can learn much from each other and you and I and many others are all a part of this journey as we learn and share. Thank goodness we have each other! Thank goodness for people who still care! United we stand!

          • Susan Miller January 12, 2015 at 10:48 am #

            Viv,

            Oh no! I am sorry that Mandi has experienced more pain and abscesses. I find it really ODD, that the vet, when looking into her mouth, didn’t notice any lesion or tissue changes. I’d be in a total fit! Your Mandi must have an incredible will to live, for her to even be “attempting” to eat. It is my understanding that cats have a very high “threshold” for pain. I hope you are able to get a handle on the lesions and give her some comfort.

            Last month, I found a “lumpy” callous on the my pit bulls lower lip, on the edge. The vet “thinks” its just a callous. I asked about doing a “skin scraping” or even a biopsy…something to find out NOW that its not anything serious. He said he was “pretty sure” it was “just a callous.” The thing looks like a wart, is whitish instead of pink and has a different texture that the surrounding lip tissue. And has NOT, gone away.

            Guess what I am going to do? Take him to a BIGGER practice that has MORE EXPERIENCED veterinarians and a surgical center “on-site.” whatever “it” is, “it” is going to be addressed NOW and not later…….

            Prayers and positive thoughts to you and your Mandi…..
            Susan

          • VeggieNut-Viv January 12, 2015 at 11:29 am #

            Good for you! It’s much wiser to address this problem before it might turn into something more. Mandi only had the one abscess and it was treated at the vet on Oct. 1st, 2014. Although I was told at that time that it would keep coming back and be a chronic problem, it hasn’t. To try to prevent this from happening, I give her a blend of Echinacea and Goldenseal as this has both antibiotic and anti-cancer properties.
            When I saw the cancer had spread, I shrank it with Artemisinin. It’s still there, but it’s not massive and she can eat. I don’t know why Artemisinin can’t kill all of the cancer cells if it can kill some of them. A side effect of Artemisinin is that it depresses the appetite. I’m giving her Red Clover Blossoms to stimulate her appetite as well as fight cancer.
            At her age of 16 years, we also have to consider that her body is probably just wearing out. WOW! Mandi just jumped up here on my computer desk and is now helping me write to you! Mandi says “hey” and thanks you for remembering her!

          • Debra Costas January 12, 2015 at 4:57 pm #

            My 16 yr. old cat, Molly, also had the Squamous cell carcinoma. It was caught very early when she went in for a dental visit. She was diagnosed about 3 months ago and is her old self! No abcesses or eating problems or drooling. I put her on a formula of herbs that I have posted earlier on this site and she is doing amazing!! I wonder if she even has the cancer any more. Maybe you should try the herbs and see if it helps your cat.

          • Susan Miller January 13, 2015 at 7:05 am #

            Debra,

            You are very lucky that the vet caught your cats cancer, in the early stage!!

            You might want to “re-list” what you found successful, as this blog is about 32+ pages when printed out. It might be easier for another distraught pet owner to find the information more quickly, if you did a quick re-cap!

            In fact..each and everyone of us has used, attempted to use, and had success using herbs, plants, etc. Anything to prevent chemo or radiation is what we have tried to do!!

            Thanks,
            Susan

          • Debra Costas January 13, 2015 at 9:30 am #

            This is the herbal tonic I used with my 16 year old cat with Squamous Cell Cancer. It has worked very well for her and I now wonder if the cancer is totally gone. Since it was at the back under side of her tongue we won’t know unless she is under anesthetic for some reason and can look under her tongue. The herbal capsules are made by Nature’s Sunshine.

            1 cup Pau d’ arco Tea
            3 capsules of Paw Paw Cell-Reg
            4 capsules of Herbal CA
            1/2 – 1 tsp ES Clear

            Steep the tea for at least 5 minutes add the contents of the capsules and the ES Clear and mix well. Let mixture cool and keep excess refrigerated. I got a small brown bottle with a dropper and kept it handy. Give 3 squirts to the cat 3 times a day. I added some Chamomile Tea to the mixture as well as Molly was very stressed and pulling out her fur. She has now stopped that and is doing very well. The purity of the herbs is very important, that is why I use Nature’s Sunshine.The Paw Paw is expensive but it is what kills the cells that have become cancerous. I would highly recommend this formula as it has done wonders to restore Molly to complete health!

          • Susan Miller January 13, 2015 at 9:50 am #

            OH, thank you, very good info! I am going to “copy and paste” this info to my personal diary for quick reference!

            I think I remember, weren’t you giving her “mushroom” also? And didn’t it cause her “hair pulling?”

            Thank you, and keep up the good work for your kitty!

          • Debra Costas January 14, 2015 at 9:55 am #

            Looking back on it now I think the Mushroom complex is a good immune builder like the ES Clear but doesn’t have the ability to alter the cells as the Paw Paw does. I felt that I really didn’t need more immune boosters than the Herbal CA, the Pau d’ Arco and the ES Clear which I was using.

          • Samantha January 13, 2015 at 3:55 pm #

            Thank you so much for your outline of supplements, this is so helpful! My cat Izzy was diagnosed with nasal lymphoma in September 2014 and we have learned that it recently spread to her kidneys. She is currently in kidney failure and we are doing everything we can to get her to eat and drink, but even the medical grade appetite stimulants aren’t working. I need to force feed her at this point.

            We opted to give her chemotherapy and prednisolone, and are currently on a rescue protocol. Our veterinarian (who also practices acupuncture and Chinese herbs) said the most important things fighting her kidney cancer / failure right now are chemotherapy and fluids.

            She indicated that the supplements I’m giving her are likely innocuous (I.e., not curative but not hurting either). I have tried almost every supplement recommended in the story and the website and some of your supplements are new to me.

            We give Izzy the following all mixed up (outside of her chemotherapy protocol):

            ES Clear (10 drops 2x/day)
            Turmeric
            Mellit
            Multi Essentials
            Milk Thistle
            Tripsy
            Omega 3 Pet
            Vital Pet Lipids
            Celloquent
            MUSH (Mushroom complex)
            Digestive Aid
            Pet Flora
            Luxolite
            Immunovet (derivative of Avemar)
            Molasses / Baking Soda (just started today)
            Eight Gentleman Tea Pill
            Acupuncture

            As you can probably tell, I’m grabbing in the dark to try to find supplements that will help her. I wanted to get anyone’s take on if this is way too much or if, in your experience, some / all of these worked.

            Thank you!

          • Susan Miller January 13, 2015 at 4:26 pm #

            Samantha,

            I am sorry you also have an ill kitty. You are in good hands in this group! I saw your list of ingredients. I also am going to copy it to “my journal.”

            My only concern would be…is she getting too many things at one time? Is all of that adding stress to her kidneys? As the body throws off toxins, the poor kidneys need to filter it all.

            The Medical Examines Dr. G (a human doc) wrote a book about sudden, unexplained deaths in people who “looked healthy.” There was a young 32-33 year old woman, picture perfect, gorgeous, exercised often and looked good..but she died. After the basic autopsy, she ordered a “tox” screen. The young lady literally poisoned herself in taking 27+ “healthy” supplements a day.

            I think I have read where it may be a good idea to “rotate” out her treatments. In fact, my vet suggested Lysine for the 2 older cats that have a periodic cough. But he told me that you have to let the body rest. So with the Lysine, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off..etc.

            I know the feeling you have…sheer desperation..and you want to treat her with as many “good” supplements as you can!! Is there a holistic vet/Chinese Herb specialist who can make sure if they are all ok, to take at one time??

            Best of luck on your journey…lots of good people here and willing to give help, advice or comfort!

            Susan

          • Samantha January 14, 2015 at 4:47 am #

            Hi Susan,

            Thank you for the kind words; it’s been quite a battle to keep our little girl alive. I’ve definitely thought the same thing (too many supplements at once) and starting last night, decided to focus on the ones that may be the most helpful without stressing her kidneys out too much. She is still on chemotherapy and fluids, so that’s a whole other consideration.

            I appreciate your insights and advice, and this forum has been so helpful in identifying natural approaches to help our girl! Best to you >^.^<

          • Debra Costas January 14, 2015 at 9:27 am #

            So sorry to hear that the cancer now involves the kidneys! I don’t know that there is much that can be done since it has reached that stage but I would highly recommend the Paw Paw. I will keep you and your kitty in my prayers as I know first hand how hard this is for you.

          • Samantha January 15, 2015 at 3:07 pm #

            Thank you Debra, much appreciated. Sadly, we were told that Izzy’s BUN and Creatinine levels are higher than before, so she just received her last chemotherapy injection and we are now just waiting to see if it takes effect.

            If she stabilizes, our holisitc vet recommended something called Max’s formula, which is a Chinese Herb that supposedly reduces tumor size. I hope we get there!

          • VeggieNut-Viv January 13, 2015 at 11:40 am #

            The major key in successfully treating this type of cancer, no matter what treatment methods you use, is early detection. I use a number of herbs/supplements/folk medicine for my cancer kitty and yes, they have helped but they have not cured her, not yet anyway. Unfortunately, her cancer was adavanced when it was found and that makes a world of difference in the effectiveness of whatever treatment is used. During the course of over a year, I have seen the ulceration in her mouth clear up on the surface to the point that she looked “cured”. However, this cancer can run deeper than what you see on the surface and the more advanced the cancer is, the deeper it can go. Dont’ be fooled by what you see! . Although oral squamous cell carcinoma does not tend to spread over the body, it does tend to spread locally to nearby areas such as lymph nodes and into the jaw bone. You were very, very fortunate to have found the cancer in its early stages when it can be much more effectively treated and the chance of a cure is greatly increased. Hopefully, your kitty is cured!!!!
            I’m glad to see that you’ve listed what you’re using. I’ve copied it down in my notebook so I’ll have it handy. Thanks for sharing!!!! :))))

          • Debra Costas January 14, 2015 at 9:33 am #

            You are very welcome!!

  15. MIke S January 12, 2015 at 9:40 am #

    I was kind of told the same thing re the prednosolone; it was well tollerated by cats (which it is) and it can help in shrinking the tumor down (no idea if this is the case at all with my cat). Of course, the negative side effects are not mentioned, you have to research those yourself apparenlty (though admitedly, I never asked either; I was just glad to have something to gove her that might help).

    We are in the stage where we need to make a decision – Aggie has been on ES Clear for two weeks. I believe it has made a huge difference, however she is still on the pred. She has been on it for a month as of the 11th. I am starting her this evening (I hope) on the Advanced Immune Restoration (AIR) – first stage; introducing the Celloquent.

    The issue of course is that the supplements (ES Clear and A.I.R) are designed to bost/increase the immune system while prednisolone is designed to supress it.

    So….the thought is to do a pred taper while at the same time introducing the AIR with the goal of having her completely off the pred about the same time as the full suggested dosages of the AIR supplements are administered.

    I’m told by Vitality Sscience (the makers of AIR) that it’s fine to do this (i.e. start incrementally introducing the AIR supplements which doing a pred taper).

    I’m hoping we can successfully taper her off the pred. In addition the shortness of breath, she is startingto become a little aggressive towards the other two cats (another side effect of pred). I’m curious to see what it will do to her appetite. She is eating what I think is more or less normally now, but could really use to gain a few pounds.

    We will have to see how it goes – some cats need the pred a little longer, but I’m hoping this won’t be the case. Worse case, I guess is that if we notice a decline, we can always start it up again and try the taper once she is stable on the AIR and ES Clear.

    WIll update with additional posts as time goes by. As others have mentioned, there are so few places to go to find this information out – whether the results are positive or (unfortunately) negative; I think it’s important to use this site as sort of a database of sorts to refer to whether you’ve been at this for a while or have just been given the bad news by your vet and are seeking vialble alternative treatments. It’s nice to have a slew of methodologies and treatment ideas/plans/suggestions all in one place.

    I did, BTW, try out the “Quality of Life” scale Susan mentions in her post this past weekend- it looks like the maximum “points” possible is 70 (unless I’m reading it wrong). Aggie pegs out at about a 63, so I guess all in all, not bad at all. The main concerns were the breathing ability (shortness of breath because of the pred) and hydration – she is definitely drinking but it doesn’t seem it’s as much, but it’s not like I’m watching her constantly either; it’s just when I catch her near the water bowl – shared by other cats so impossible to tell how much she’s had.

    • Susan Miller January 12, 2015 at 10:20 am #

      Mike,

      It sounds like you have a good plan in place. If Aggie is at 63, then that’s really hopeful that she has a good quality of life. Those products, Celloquent and AIR sound very good, and others have had good results. I hope you keep us updated with any information, good or bad.

      When I found out about Xerox, it felt like a race against the clock. There was so much information to sift through, and not a whole lot of “personal experiences” documented, which is why this site was so helpful!

      Just out of curiosity, have you stopped the ES Clear? What are your thoughts and experiences using it. I still have 1/2 of a bottle left, and plan to give it to the others…I guess, if it “boosts” the immune system, it can’t hurt. It was simply too late for Xerox.

      The journey is long and hard, hang in there..I sure hope Aggie responds well and is feeling better, soon.

      Thinking of each and every one who has given advice, input and hope! Thank you….
      Susan

    • VeggieNut-Viv January 12, 2015 at 10:52 am #

      I’ve read the quality of life test too. One thing that it can’t take into consideration is how much your cat may improve with a change of battle strategy. If your cat “fails” the test today, they may well pass it with flying colors in a couple of weeks or so due to improvment brought about by a change in treatment. I’ve seen this happen with my cancer mouth cat, Mandi. Last Christmas of 2013, I would have bet the farm that Mandi wouldn’t live to see Christmas of 2014. We made it and we’re still going! But, it’s been a constant challenge to find new ways to fight the cancer. Don’t give up the ship too soon!

  16. Mike S January 12, 2015 at 11:13 am #

    I have not stopped the ES Clear at all – I am actually quite impressed by the difference it has made! Aggie has been on ES Clear for two weeks as of today and she is doing things behaviorally that she just would not have done before Christmas and I dare say with some things would not have been physically capable of doing (jumping up on counters, beds and the like) – she probably would have been able to do it…once or twice, but she would have spent the rest of the day sleeping as it would have taken a lot out of her.

    I didn’t know that ES Clear was also an immune booster which is another reason to taper off the pred which is an immume supressent.

    I called the vet on lunch today and they’ll get back to me but I was asked a slew of wuestions as to why I wanted to taper her off of it. I gave them the names of the ES Clear and AIR-CCS but not sure they’ll really know ahat to make of it; it’s a totally different “path” than traditional western medicine.

    Being a family that has gone the way of “whole health” and natural supplements, I can only say they definitel;y work at fixing the root of the cause and not simply putting a band aid on the symptoms – I’m hoping the same will be true for the supplements Aggie is/will be on.

    Planning on continuing the ES Clear along with the AIR-CCS.

    @ Viv,

    Yes, you’re absolutely right; a change of game plan can change the nuebrs dramatically on the QoL “test”!

  17. Mike S January 13, 2015 at 5:22 am #

    OK – started the Advanced Immune Restoration protocol last night.

    The first stage is introducing the Celloquent which comes in powder form. You can either sprinkle it on wet food or make a suspension liquid using water or broth.

    When I first saw it, I thought there’s no way I’m going to get 3/4 teaspoon into that cat 2x day! Tried it on the food, no go; wouldn’t touch it.

    It is introduced gradually, so I started with a 1/4 teaspoon mixed with just enough water (used a small shot-type glass to mix it in) as to not make it pasty.

    The powder is brownish, but when suspended in liquid becomes green – looks exactly like a protein shake you would make in something like a “magic bullet” blender. It has the leafy green look, however, due to the flavor they put in (liver powder), it smells sort of like beef broth.

    I was sure she would gag it back up, but to my surprise and relief, she took it with no issues or any visible “after effects”. Even a 1/4 tsp mixed with water is a lot to administer (about 4 or more 1ml eyedropper syringes). I’m hoping that I can keep the “volume” down as I incresase the amount of powdered Celloquent to the suggested dosage of 3/4 tsp 2x day.

    So, we’ll see how she does with this – I’m hoping to increase up to suggested dosage by the weekend, so I can start the next step which is introducing the Vital Pet Lipids. This is an oil type liquid that looks and smells like fish oil though perhaps not quite as strong. That one migt be an issue, but it can be mixed in with the Celloquent mixture, so maybe it won’t be quite so bad.

    I will update as we progress, but so far, much to my releief, so good; I was a bit worried about her taking the Celloquent as it’s a lot and she’ll apparently only take it as a liquid, but she seems to tollerate it fine.

    BTW – the package does come with a syringe, but it’s huge; you could use it for a Great Dane! My advise is to mix it in a small glass and use a normal syringe; you’ll be administering a lot of “doses”, but I think it’ smuch easier.

    • Chere January 16, 2015 at 7:20 am #

      Hi Mike and everyone, Ive also got Storm on a few of vitality science products. I struggled to get her to consume much of anything in the lines of the herbal products. A lot of the stuff was extremely fishy and apparently she won’t touch even her favorite of treats if I put too much of some stuff or any of the vital pet lipids. Of course it make matters worse when we tried to use that great Dane syringe as you put it, :) to syringe some into Storm and landed up shooting the stuff all over us and our couch. Which left Storm quite a bit less fond of the stuff than before. I really wanted her to have it because of what its meant to do and all of the reviews but she just doesnt like it. I can put a drop I literally mean a drop into something extremely fishy like pilchards. I find the cellocent was easier to sneak in than the super food but now both are easy but only about an eighth of a teaspoon at anytime. The es clear, pet enzymes and pet flora are easy to give her but again in small doses, I think because of the less strong, not fishy smell. So it may sound like alot but its such small doses its not much. I want to try the tumor shrinking product someone mentioned recently, what was it, max something or other. Good luck all, keep the stories coming.

  18. MIke S January 16, 2015 at 9:20 am #

    Hello,

    I’ve been informed by the people at Vitality Science that you can, in fact, combine the ES-Clear, Vital Pet Lipids, and (if you want) the Celloquent into a single “dosage” and administer it that way.

    Our cat is currenlty on the ES Clear and started the Celloquent a few days ago. As of last night, we are up to administering the full suggested dose of the Celloquent (3/4 teaspoon, 2x day).

    In order to get the powder in a liquid state that will go through a syringe (allbeit rather as a thick pasty liquid), I need to add about 3ml of water. I’ve been playing around with trying to get the full dosage into the cat. If i mix it in a small shot type glass and use a smaller syringe, there seems to be some “waste” as not all of it will get sucked up into the syringe. This of course involves several dropper fulls to be administered.

    I tried a new process last night that seems to work a bit better and eliminates a lot of the “waste”. I’ll mix the powder and water into that large syringe they give you. I put the cap on the end, put the Celloquent in with a small 1/4 teaspoon measure, then add the spring water. Once that’s done, put the “plunger” part into the syringe just far enough so nothing will leak out (you can only go so far down with the cap on the other end anyway; there’s no place for the excess air inside to go), flip the syringe such that the plunger part is now the bottom, take the cap off the end to allow the powder to sink down othe water, put your finger over the end and skake it until the water and powder are well combined into that thick liquid. While holding the syringe with the small “distribution” end up and the cap off, push the plunger down so you eliminate all the excess air. What you end up with is the powder and water all mixed up together and the syringe all set to go with no excess air in it. You can put the cap back on the end untik you’re ready to administer it.

    Shake it a bit before administering, and take a toothpick and “unclog” the tip (you don’t want it to “explode” out during the first second of administering).

    You can now administer it slowly and in several small squirts spaced apart to allow the cat to ingest the previous amount.

    With this method there’s really no waste – ther’s a small amount that does not come out at the end – I just have a dropper of water ready and put the water in the syringe, shake it well and administer the last bit (this liquid is a lot more ‘normal’ and is just making sure all of the dosage is administered).

    It sounds like quite the process when I write it down, but in actuallity it’s just a minute or so to get the syringe ready for administering.

    Though you can combine the ES Clear with the Celloquent mixture, I prefer to keep it separate so as to make sure the full dose is being administered. This weekend we will be starting the second step of adding in the Vital Pet Lipids. I’ll add that dosage right in the syringe with the ES Clear. It does indeed have that typical fish oil smell. Like the ES Clear it should eb refrigerated and I would highly remommend administering it while still cold (i.e. don’t let the dosage “warm up” in the syringe for a while before administering) – the cold will dull the taste (and smell) of the ES Clear and especially the VPL’s.

    Unfortunately none of our three cats will touch any food that’s been “manipulated” :) so no go with trying to sprinkle the Celloquent on the food.

    Aggie (our cat) has not been on this protocol long enough to evaluate it yet – I’m hoping, like with the ES Clear, to notice a marked positive difference within the next few weeks after she has been on the full dosage of the Celloquent, VPL, ES Clear and Anti Inflamitory for about a week.

    Good luck!

  19. sula January 18, 2015 at 9:10 pm #

    This article has been incredibly helpful for me and I want to thank the author as well as Nate’s owner for sharing the information. I have a young 2 year old cat who was diagnosed with large cell intestinal and renal lymphoma (which secondarily caused chronic renal failure) in late October last year, and I can’t tell you how many times this article has brought me renewed comfort and advice. My little guy is a warrior going through chemo right now, and the supplements mentioned here have all been incredibly useful. I may be adding high CBD cannabis oil to his regimen as well, and I’ll certainly share if I have any luck with it.

    Because of his kidney issues, I’ve had to switch him to the Hills K/D diet and I’m wondering if anyone has any experience with renal diets that have higher quality ingredients? Certainly low phosphorous is hugely important, but my little kitty is anemic and underweight and I’m not too sure about the low protein aspect of the diet. I found an article written by a holistic vet who recommended Weruva (http://www.allthebestpetcare.com/kidney-failure-in-cats/) but I’m hoping someone can share if they’ve had any success keeping kidney failure in check either with a home-cooked recipe or a particular brand.

    Thank you again and I wish everyone the best.

    x

    • Susan Miller January 19, 2015 at 6:57 am #

      Sula,

      Thank you for sharing your story. It is hard when our pets encounter health problems, and I am sure, especially difficult with your cat being so young.

      Personally, I have no experience with the Weruva food, or any cats with renal failure. (at this time..)

      The most important issues, would be to get the best food for kitty, one that he will eat and like. It may have to be 2-3 kinds, rotated around.There just isn’t a whole of information out here on the great “web.”

      Hope kitty does well with the treatments and you get some positive results. Any updates periodically, will help others with good information. It sounds like the veterinarian is a “good partner,” which no doubt is a huge relief. Best of luck to all…

      Susan

    • VeggieNut-Viv January 19, 2015 at 3:22 pm #

      Books like Dr. Pitcairn’s Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats is full of recipies for pets incuding diets made for specific health conditons. It has both cat and dog kidney recipes. Over the years, I’ve used both. My dogs liked it ok but the picky cats weren’t too fond of it. However, that was a long time ago and probably the book has been updated by now so the recipes may be different and hopefully more appealing to cats.
      Good luck with your kitty!

      • Susan Miller January 20, 2015 at 4:29 am #

        Viv,
        Thank you for the the information on Dr. Pitcairns book. I have never heard of him. I have added this book to “my list.”
        When our pets get sick or older, we scramble for information, and there is sooooo much out there. I am going to get this book to be ready with handy information.
        Hope Mandi is doing well….
        Susan

  20. Mike S January 20, 2015 at 5:50 am #

    Just a quick update –

    Aggie continues to be doing well on the Adv. Imm. Rest. (“AIR”) protocol.

    We are at the last phase of introducing all the items. She started today with the small dose (2 drops) of Herbal Anti Inflamatory.

    I find that I’m dividing the dosage of the Vital Pet Lipids into two; one in the morning, one in the evening. I me=ix it with the ES Clear.

    The full dose of VPL’s is 3/4 tsp which equates to 1.23ml – that’s a lot of fish oil all at once! If I divide it up, I do about .62ml of the VPL with the .25ml (approx 6 drops) of the ES CLear 2x day, it’s not so much of a shock to the system as far as the oils go.

    Still tapering off the pred – I have it worked out to a 17 day taper. Perhaps that’s sort of overkill on a taper, but I don’t want to taper it too fast as she’s been on a 1ml dose for a little over a month. By Feb 4th, she’ll be completely off the pred and will have been on the “AIR” protocol for a few weeks.

    So far, so good – I will need to weigh her and see where she’s at, but it’s hard to know if any weight gain is from the pred, the tumor(s), or pure just plain weight gain (or a combination of any of the three).

    Will keep updating as things progress.

    @ Sula – good luck with your cat. This list has been incredilby helpful!

    • Susan Miller January 20, 2015 at 6:26 am #

      Mike S…Thank you for the update, glad to hear Aggie is doing well. That pred is awful, the side effects are so debilitating. That “taper” sounds good, sure won’t hurt by doing it over 17 days. I think, in the past, I have seen “tapers” for meds done about that length of time.

      Thank you,

      Susan

  21. Mike S January 21, 2015 at 9:05 am #

    I think the taper is probably longer than it really needs to be, but I don’t want to take a chance. She’ll be off of the pred the first week of February.

    As of today she is on the “full dosage” AIR-CCS protocol along with the ES-Clear and the remaining portions of the pred taper.

    The trick for me is in the morning giveing her the ES-Clear, Vital Pet Lipids and Celloquest in one dose then having to wait an hour to do the Herbal Anti-Inflamatory. Cuts the time a little close before we have to leave.

  22. Mike S January 21, 2015 at 9:18 am #

    Should have added, for anyone out there doing the Advanced Immune Restoration protocol, that “Great Dane” sized syringe I mentioned in an earlier post is actually quite helpful. You can get the small end of it in a cat’s mouth properly to administer the dosages.

    I put the cap on the small end, put the spring water in (about 4-5ml) THEN put the Celloquent powder in (3/4 tsp.) – I use a small funnel, works great – then half the required dose of the VPL’s (not quite .55ml), then finally the required amount iof drops of the ES-Clear (for Aggie it’s 6).

    Once everything is in the large syringe, I carefully put the ‘plunger’ part a little way in (it won’t go too far as the opposite end ic capped), flip it upside down and tap the side so all the water initially put in mixes somewhat wioth the Celloquent powder, CAREFULLY take the small cap off and tap anything in that small end part (‘nozzle’, if you will). Once it’s somewhat mixed, I can push the plunger in a little more. Once that’s done, I put my finger over the nozzle so nothing will come out and shake it like crazy to mix everything up. Some will get caught inteh nozzle end again, but once you’re done mixing, with the nozzle pointing straight up, GENTLY pull the plunger out a little way – anything in that nozzle area will get sucked back down into the syringe.

    I then push the plunger up again just so the liquid mixture is almost at the nozzle, put the cap back on and you’re ready to go.

    In short, from trial and error, you want to put the spring water (or broth – whatever you’re using for a liquid for the Celloquent) in FIRST; if you put the powder in first, a lot will “puff out” when you’re adjusting the plunger.

    • Susan Miller January 22, 2015 at 6:29 am #

      That is a brilliant way to mix up the elixirs and administer..very creative. I have the rest of mine of the leftover ES, Tripsy and a Thyroid support. I have a “king kong” syringe, so maybe using that to mix all 3 and giving as 1x instead of chasing 4 cats with 3 different droppers, may be quite easier!!

  23. Mike S January 23, 2015 at 6:01 am #

    It works pretty good – sounds like it takes a while to do, but the “prepping” process is only a few minutes.

    Still need to keep the Herbal Anti Inflammatory separate, and she does not like it in her food, so I have to do a separate dosage. I end up burning off the alcohol by emptying the dosage in a small glass that I have (about 1/2 the size of a shot glass and the inside is rounded on the bottom, not flat, so it works perfectly. Once the mixture is in the glass, I heat up a small bowl of water in the microwave for about two minutes (to bring it to a light boil), take it out and swirl the glass in it for a little bit. All the alcohol burns off. You can smell the difference; the mixture will no longer have that strong smell of the alcohol used for the tincture. I just suck it back up into the syringe and I’m good to go.

    On another note – I have to wonder if perhaps once the full dosage of the “AIR-CCS” protocol gets administerd, there’s not a brief “detox period” the cat will experience (?). I don’t want to say that Aggie has taken a slight turn for the worse, it’s not that drastic, but she seems to be going through a “just not feeling all that great” phase – it is somewhat noticeable, but I do klnow that when humans start an agressive program of supplements, there’s usually a period for about a week or so where you feel absolutely lousy before you start to feel better – your body is releasing toxins. Have to wonder if the same thing happens to an animal?? Will need to check with the people at Vitality Science who make the stuff and see what they say. I know they said it takes anywhere from a week to up to a month before there are any noticible changes, but the concern is the ever so slight turn downhill. Will post any reply I get from V/S.

  24. Mike S January 23, 2015 at 8:38 am #

    OK – well, per the folks at V/S, there can be an initial period of “downtime”, but the animal should bounce back after that inital period.

    So, guess it is a bit like with a human; i.e. you feel like garbage for about the first week or so as the body detoxifies and then start feeling the beneficial effects of the supplements.

    Guess we’ll have to see how she progresses over the next week or so.

    Again, I add these comments so that others may use them as a refernce tool of sorts.

    If you start your cat on the Advanced Immune Restoration, expect a bit of “downtime” with your cat for about a wek or so – the cat should bounce back after the detox period (which I imagine, like with humans, the length of that period differs for each individual).

  25. Mike S January 29, 2015 at 5:46 am #

    Just a “quick” note to all who may be using the AIR-CCS protocol.

    A few quick tricks I have discovered using the large syringe provided. You can easily mix the “ingredients” together in it as I have described in previous posts – I make it ahead of time and put it in the fridge for about an hour before administering. The “Vital Pet Lipids” is a very strong fish smelling oil and when mixed in with the Celloquent and ES Clear, can give it an off taste (the Celloquent ain’t too great eaither). Refrigerating the mixture after putting it all into the syringe will dull the smell as well as the taste – seems to work better, at least for my cat.

    Also, if it’s made ahead, the syringe can tend to become difficult to work; the “plunger” part will seem like it’s stuck and then if you press down too hard needless to say it it’s not pretty and you have a rather messy kitty as well as the area you’re administering it (i.e. couch!).

    What seems to work pretty good is that after insterting the VPL into the syringe (I use a 1/4 teaspoon measuring spoon), don’t rinse the measuring spoon off. After all the ingredients are put into the syringe (Celloquent, ES Clear and VPL), I take my finger and dab it into the measuring spoon and coat the edge of the rubber part of the “plunger” – it gives it a coat of oil and makes it extremely easy to administer.

    If left to sit for a while, it will seem to get “stuck” again – just play around with it a bit (being careful not to squirt out any of the contents) and it will soon get the oil lubricating the rubber on the plunger and the whole thing moving quite easily – a lot easier to administer! It allows for dosing a little at a time in very controlled amounts allowing the cat to “digest” each small squirt.

    My cat was/is absolutely NOT thrilled about getting her supplements – fighting it tooth and nail. I eventually discovered it was the method I was using to adminsiter the stuff; I think just too much at a time because I couldn’t adequately control the ‘outflow’, as it were, of the syringe. The VPL “leftover” oil around the end of the plunger part definitely helps!!

    She is still not thrilled about taking the mixture, but at least it doesn’t traumatize her quite as much as I can control the dosing a lot better.

    As an aside – Aggie is still doing okay – she is almost done with the Pred. taper. She seems to be slowly pulling out of that initial “adjustment” phase where it almost seems like they take a turn for the worse.

    Again, I post this as a resource for others who may be struggling with the same issues re dosing, etc. hope this will be of some help!

  26. Mike S February 11, 2015 at 9:19 am #

    Unfortunately, this is not an easy post –

    Our cat Aggie has taken a marked turn for the worse in the past few days – she now has a very foul-smelling drool and is really not eating or drinking. The most likely culprit of the foul drool is a blockage – not sure if the tumor(s) shifted or grew in such a way as to cause a blockage or what. The other possibility is more dental related but if that were the case, would have come on more gradually.

    I do not believe at this point there is much we can do – the Vital Pet Lipids are primarily kril and fish oil and if the blockage could be eliminated, I think it would have already happened (?) due to the laxitive nature of fish oil.

    I’m not sure what will happen – if she truly has no chance for any improvement, then we may need to help her cross over unless, of course, she makes that deceision for us. I’m kind of hoping if she has to cross, it’s at home and in peace, not at a vet’s office (though I think if it comes to that, despite the cold wweather here in NH, I would want it done outside under the sky, not a vet’s office ceiling).

    I do truly believe that the AIR-CCS protocol along with the ES-Clear definitley helped her to have a more normal and active past few months – I wish we could have caught it earlier and started her on it back last spring when we first noticed some weight loss, but as you can see from previous posts, it was attributed to other non-health factors.

    This site has been an invaluable resource and I would recommend it to anyone who is contemplating alternative treatments for feline cancer.

    I don’t know what will happen to Aggie, but I do fear the worse – there is some comfort in knowing any decision made is one of love and compassion and not wanting to see any animal suffer unduly.

    I hope that this post will not be a discouragement to anyone trying an alternative treatment method – In hindsight, like with humans, early detection (and treatment) is key!

    Thanks for all suggestions and help – it was very much appreciated. There is also some comfort too in knowing that our experiences will hopefuly help others facing the same.

    • VeggieNut-Viv February 11, 2015 at 10:41 am #

      I’m so sorry to learn of this discouraging news about Aggie’s cancer. Cancer is a very difficult road walk down as it is full of seemingly never-ending potholes of discouragement and setbacks. I know I’ve been at the point of total hopeless dispair serveral time with my 16 yr old kitty Mandi who has oral cancer. I’ve thought I was at the end more than more time, but I would search for new battle stategies and we’d somehow manage to pull through. Not long ago the cancer spread to the other side of her mouth and she was not able to eat on her own so I fed her liquids with a syringe. I thought she was a goner as I could see no hope at this point. I worked day and night researching for new battle strategy and it worked! In four days, she could eat on her own again and the cancer continued to shrink. It’s not cured, but it is greatly reduced from what it was and its progression is slowed. Perhaps there is something new you could try that the cancer hasn’t become resistant to. I’ve been fighting cancer for Mandi for one year and four months now and I know what a long hard ride this can be. Good luck and best wishes to you and Aggie. We’re all pulling for you!

    • Susan Miller February 12, 2015 at 4:14 am #

      Mike S.,

      I was thinking about you, just the other day. The 8th marked my first month without my beloved Xerox, and I was thinking of Aggie and her health, as I had not heard anything in awhile.

      It’s so very hard trying to heal our pets, or at least make their “quality of life” better. I truly believe pets have a 6th sense and know when we do our very best to keep them from pain. That said, the decision you face surely isn’t easier, and the pain from their loss is certainly felt throughout the house, from the pets to the people.

      I will keep you and your family in my thoughts and prayers these next few days. Thank you so much for your detailed postings of treatments and side effects/responses. I am sure many people will find the information very helpful.

      Susan

  27. Mike S February 12, 2015 at 6:51 am #

    Thanks very much all – as you well know, it’s never an easy decision – Our decision, however, was made a little easier (if I can use that term) yesterday evening and more so this morning when we noticed blood in with the drool. I suspect something must have either ulcerated or ruptured causing the bleeding.

    Needless to say, we will not make her wait another day – I thought for sure she would slip away last night, but she was still with us this morning – call has already been placed to our vet and she will cross over peacably into the spirit world later today if she hasn’t already done so of her own accord.

    I do hope that all the hints and detailed effects and responses Aggie has had with her treatment thathave been posted here will be of benefit to others.

    I guess my initial or gut response to anyone asking/wondering (i.e. any new readers who come by this post) would be that, these are natural supplements and not drugs, unlike a drug, they can really do no harm if used correctly – so if you even suspect anything, the sooner you start a protocol, of whatever method you may choose, the better. Obviously too, the sooner you have your pet looked at by a qualified vet, the better. Don’t wait.

    • Mike S February 13, 2015 at 5:57 am #

      Just a quick note – Aggie crossed over very peacebly into the spirit world yesterday afternoon at about 4:50pm.

      It seemed very odd this morning not having to prepare “the mixture” and knowing she wouldn’t be too happy about taking it. I think this is the first time that we have ever taken such a pro-active appraoch to treatment – it’s oddly very comforting, despite our loss, knowing that we truly tried everything reasonably possible.

      • Susan Miller February 13, 2015 at 6:25 am #

        Words fail me…I am glad she made a peaceful and painless transition. There is immense comfort in knowing that you helped her quality of life, with a “pro-active” approach. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers….Susan

      • JuJu & Lilo February 13, 2015 at 3:50 pm #

        I haven’t been on here in a while. So sorry for the the passing of your sweet fur babies. I’m at a crossroads right now. My cat Lilo has the mouth cancer as well. There has been a lot of great references and support through this blog and I appreciate each and everyone of you. Lilo has already ulcerated twice. First time it healed in a week this time it’s taking longer. My problem is, she is still eating and drinking like a champ, but she drools and her breath smells more foul than before. I’m afraid I’m making her suffer. Her cancer is in her upper lip/jaw and around Christmas I found a smaller lump in her lower jaw now, not sure if that’s her lymph node. Also the hair has fallen off on her cheek where the lump is. The width is about the size of a quarter maybe more. I worry it could bust on the outside, not even sure if that’s possible. I’m Thinking I’m going to call the vet next week and make the most dreadful appointment I’ve been trying to avoid. I fsel the same as you Mike,new wanted her to peacefully pass at home. But I do t want to see her have a long struggle.My five year old son asks me everyday if the tumor is shrinking. Does anyone else agree that it’s time? I always said I’d wait until she slowed her drinking and eating. She’s on the Es clear and antibotics/pain med. Which is probably the only reason she is eating. Much love to all and that’s for the support.

        • JuJu & Lilo February 13, 2015 at 3:53 pm #

          Meant for it to say “Thanks” for the support.

        • VeggieNut-Viv February 13, 2015 at 6:12 pm #

          My 16 year old cat has oral squamous cell carcinoma that was discovered in Oct. 2013. During the time since then, my kitty has lost her appetite, drooled, stayed in her litter box, developed a cancer related abscess and had smelly breath. However, improvements are possible by finding new battle strategies. To fight this cancer, I found it best to use more than one method of treatment at a time and I also rotate what what I use. I’ve had some good results in shrinking this cancer with Artemisinin, standardized. Artemisinin is not absorbed well and it diminishes over time so a break is needed to bring the absorbtion back up to a more effective level.
          Not long ago, the cancer spread to the other side of her mouth and this happened very suddenly. It was so massive that she could not eat on her own so I fed her liquids with a syringe. I felt so helpless and hopeless. After four days of Artemisinin, she could eat on her own again although with difficulty as the cancer was still large. However, with continued use, the cancer continued to shrink and she can eat on her own again. Something that has worked well for her to eat is soft scrambled eggs made with a bit of Velveeta cheese and evaporated milk. She loves them and it’s easy for her to just lap them up. Now all the kitties get scrambled eggs as they like them too.
          Right now while I’ve been on a break from Artemisinin, I’ve been giving her a blend of Olive Leaf extract mixed with the Molasses/baking soda cancer cure and a flavored vitamin. She’s doing better and seems to be gaining strength and has a good appetite.
          I’ve been fighting this cancer for one year and four months now. I was initially told that she had less than a ten percent chance of making it one year. I left conventional methods of treatment behind nine months ago and since then I’ve used alternative methods.
          Fighting this cancer has been a long hard ride and very discouraging at times. It is good to study and learn as much as you can about how this cancer works and also learn as much as you can about how different holistice methods and specific supplements work. For example, Artemisinin works because it is attracted to cancer cells due to their higher iron content. Once Artemisinin gains entry into the cancer cell, it forms free radicals and destroys it. Cancer cells are more active at night, and giving Artemisinin late at night may help to enhance its effectiveness. I’ve had to do a lot of playing it by ear as there is no set of directions or recipe for a cut and dried way to effectively do this that I’ve found. However, against all odds, I still have my kitty! I wouldn’t give up the ship too soon.
          Good luck and best wishes to you and Lilo.
          Viv – still striving for a cure!

  28. Sara gunther February 15, 2015 at 1:53 pm #

    My cat Lola was just recently dignosed with lymphoma. She will starting treatment in about a week. She is about 4-5 years (not sure her age bc we adopted her). Do you feel that during her process of chemo I should try any of these during her process ? Thank you

    • MikeS February 16, 2015 at 11:18 am #

      Thanks for all the kind words regarding Aggie – seems very empty around here without my “shadow”.

      • Samantha February 17, 2015 at 7:51 am #

        I’m so sorry to hear about your loss; I completely understand how heart wrenching this is. We lost Izzy, our 5 year old cat, to lymphoma 3 weeks ago after a 4 month battle that involved chemotherapy and various supplements (including the ones from this article). The lymphoma spread to her kidneys in early January and things devolved quickly after that.

        I believe that the supplements helped her maintain a good quality of life, as she really didn’t seem to have too much trouble with chemotherapy’s side effects. She had a shiny coat, lively demeanor, and bright eyes until her last few days, when it was clear her kidneys were failing. It’s clear how much you care for your cat, and I’m positive Aggie knew/knows that you did everything you could for her. It’s nothing short of devastating to experience this loss, and it has helped me to read a few books (including the one written by Liz) to help me through the grieving process.

        Take care and best wishes for peace.

  29. VeggieNut-Viv March 7, 2015 at 3:05 pm #

    Update on Mandi, my 16 year old kitty with oral squamous cell carcinoma that was discovered in October, 2013, which is now roughly one year and five months ago. I began treating her myself at the end of April, 2014 and since that time, I’ve gone through complications as well as several different battle strategies to fight this with. Recently, I found something new to try that is showing hope. It’s called IP-6 (Inositol hexaphosphate) and I combine it with Inositol to enhance it’s effectiveness. From what I’ve been able to find out, this is very safe and effective. My kitty is tolerating it quite well with no visable side effects as of yet and another big plus is that she doesn’t put up a fuss when I give it to her probably because it hardly has any taste. It only has to be given twice a day. This one is easy!
    I’ve only been using this for a few days now and the inside of her mouth seems to be better. However, it’s too early to expect to see much right now, but it looks promising.

    • Debby March 7, 2015 at 5:35 pm #

      Our 16-year old Molly was diagnosed with the same oral cancer in Nov 2014. I have had her on an herbal formula from our local herbalist and she is doing just great! She doesn’t like the taste of the herbs that well but does tolerate taking it. Is the IP-6 a drug or a natural substance?

      • VeggieNut-Viv March 7, 2015 at 7:51 pm #

        IP-6 is natural and not a drug. Path with Paws has a blog where you can read about it. Try looking up:
        a mini protocol for treating any cancer in cats and dogs

        My vet told me quite some time ago that eventually nothing would work anymore and it does seem that over time the cancer develops a resistance to whatever you do. It’s been my experience that it seems to be more effective to use more than one protocol and that it’s good to rotate what you use. If you research alternative methods of treatment for this type of cancer in cats, you can find many different ways to approach this disease that you may find helpful for future use.

        Lew Rockwell has written an interesting article on IP-6. To read it, try looking up:
        the overlooked cancer cure from Japan

        I’m not real good with giving directions on how to find stuff on a computer, but I think you should be able to find these sites so you can learn more about IP-6.

        Good luck and I hope for continued success for you and Molly!

    • Debra Costas March 17, 2015 at 11:04 am #

      How much do you give and how do you give it?

      • VeggieNut-Viv March 17, 2015 at 12:01 pm #

        Hi Debra,
        I use IP-6 and Inositol in roughly a 4 to 1 ratio of IP-6 to Inositol. I open up one 500 mg capsule of powdered IP-6 and mix it with about one fifth of a 650 mg capsule of powdered Inositol. I also give her thirty mg CoQ10 with one of the doses. I mix this with water and give it with a syringe. I have found that for my kitty, Mandi, that it is better to use one ml syringes as they are more comfortable for her mouth and this makes it easier for the both of us. However, I may have to load up several of these at one time to be sufficient for the whole dose.
        Originally, I read that the dosage was four hundred mg of IP-6 given twice a day. You can read about this by looking up: a mini protocol for treating any cancer in cats and dogs. However, later on, I read elsewhere that the dose should be determined by severity and by how advanced the cancer is. From what I’ve been able to find out, this is non-toxic which gives you a good safety margin. So, I’ve recently uped the dose for Mandi to three times a day. One thing I like about this is that it doesn’t seem to bother her. It’s easy to give as it has very little taste and it doesn’t depress her appetitie or make her throw up or make her look like she doesn’t feel good. She doesn’t seem to mind taking it either so I don’t have to chase her down to give it. This makes it easy to give it multiple times a day. If you look up the mini protocal for treating cancer, it has several other things you can give with this so you may not have to give this as often as I do. The artmenisinin that is used in this protocol doesn’t agree with Mandi as it depresses her appetite and gives her diarrhea too, although I have given this to her for short term use. I’m trying to find an effective way to fight this horrible disease while maintaining her quality of life at the same time. IP-6/Inositol may be the way to do this.
        I get the IP-6 and Insositol from Swanson’s Health Care Products. The IP-6 is “Swanson’s Ultra IP-6″ 500 mg (240 capsules) and the Inositol is “Swanson’s Premium Inositol” 650 Mg (100 capsules). I’ve read that this should be given on an empty stomach, but that it can be mixed with a little food. I prefer to mix the powder with water and give it with a syringe so I’ll know that she’s taken it. Cats are so picky about their food that unless I see them take their medicine, I can’t be sure that they actually got it.
        There is a product called “Cell Forte” which contains the IP-6 and Inositol already combined so that you don’t have to mix it up yourself.
        Fighting this war on cancer has been just about as easy as trying to climb Mt. Everest using a pair of snow skis in a blizzard! However, I’m in it for the duration, so on I go.

  30. Liz-cat March 16, 2015 at 6:31 pm #

    Hi everyone, I have a quick update – I’ve just heard that after 3 years, Nate (the special little guy we talk about in this interview) is still cancer free!

    • Chére March 16, 2015 at 8:47 pm #

      Hi Liz, that is awesome. Thanks so much for the update! Best of luck everybody. Storm is due for a scan and shes doing so well Im optimistic but still scared to go!

      • Liz-cat March 17, 2015 at 5:59 pm #

        Thanks Chere, sending good thoughts for you and Storm! I totally understand the stress about scans. Everyone feels that way.

    • Susan Miller March 17, 2015 at 7:14 am #

      Wow! That is awesome news…glad to hear he is doing well!

    • Debra Costas March 17, 2015 at 11:05 am #

      That is so amazing and gives us hope!

  31. Debra Costas March 17, 2015 at 10:47 am #

    Just and update on our Molly. She has done so well and then she began to drool a couple weeks ago. On Friday when blood appeared in her drool we took her to the vet who told us that the tumor was inflamed and was larger so that her tongue could not rest on the bottom of her mouth. The vet gave her an antibiotic injection and a steroid injection and she seems much better. She is still getting her herbal tonic and I have found that if I take a few of her little “treats” and soak them in the tonic she will readily eat them. It is less traumatic than my holding her head and squirting it into her mouth. Her skin has been very dry and flaky so we are giving her some Salmon oil in her food. She has returned to more or less normal with slight drooling(she was always prone to drooling when happy).

  32. Debra Costas March 17, 2015 at 10:53 am #

    One other thing I neglected to mention in my Update on Molly was that the vet was very surprised that she hasn’t lost any weight!

  33. Debra Costas March 17, 2015 at 11:03 am #

    What would be the dosage for a cat of the IP6? I believe it was also mentioned that it should be mixed with something else?

    Thanks,
    Debby

  34. Mike S March 17, 2015 at 12:54 pm #

    Wow – that’s excellent! I was kind of wondering what happened to him.

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